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Post by Odysseus on Nov 7, 2024 7:46:16 GMT
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Post by Odysseus on Nov 7, 2024 7:50:14 GMT
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Post by rabbitreborn on Nov 7, 2024 12:06:19 GMT
The brutal reality is that the West has sacrificed a generation of Ukrainian men and the result will be exactly the same as if Ukraine had negotiated an end to the war early on.
But hey, the Russian forces are also diminished, so it’s very noble.
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Post by MojoJojo on Nov 7, 2024 12:44:42 GMT
The West sacrificed Ukrainians?
I believe it is the Russian bombs, shells and drones that are killing Ukrainians. The West supplying the Ukranian military with arms, intel and logistics is why they're not under Putin's rule. Stopping the flow of arms will be when they're sacrificed, which will be in the next few months.
Does the same perspective apply to Israel? Should they just concede from the rivier to the sea to stop the killing. Let's end the war and acknowledge the least number of casualties would be for Israel to surrender to Hamas.
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Post by Maestro on Nov 7, 2024 12:50:56 GMT
The West sacrificed Ukrainians? I believe it is the Russian bombs, shells and drones that are killing Ukrainians. The West supplying the Ukranian military with arms, intel and logistics is why they're not under Putin's rule. Stopping the flow of arms will be when they're sacrificed, which will be in the next few months. Does the same perspective apply to Israel? Should they just concede from the rivier to the sea to stop the killing. Let's end the war and acknowledge the least number of casualties would be for Israel to surrender to Hamas. I support an end to both wars and a focus on diplomacy. Our knee-jerk reaction to the Ukraine and Israel exposes the lie that either party is anti-war or that only one party is war-mongering. They both cheerfully support wars across the globe. The only difference (when there is one) is which wars get our support. |
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Post by rabbitreborn on Nov 7, 2024 13:31:24 GMT
The West sacrificed Ukrainians? I believe it is the Russian bombs, shells and drones that are killing Ukrainians. The West supplying the Ukranian military with arms, intel and logistics is why they're not under Putin's rule. Stopping the flow of arms will be when they're sacrificed, which will be in the next few months. The end result of the war will be virtually identical compared to if diplomacy was used early on when it was possible. That’s, obviously, what I mean by sacrificed. |
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Post by archie on Nov 7, 2024 13:40:44 GMT
Trump is not even in office yet and things in the world might be getting better.
I am waiting for the great improvement right here in my country.
Drill baby drill.
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Post by DaveJavu on Nov 7, 2024 14:56:53 GMT
Trump is not even in office yet and things in the world might be getting better. I am waiting for the great improvement right here in my country. Drill baby drill. You're senile. That's your excuse. |
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Post by Paleocon on Nov 7, 2024 16:33:31 GMT
What we've been doing to Ukraine is akin to a fighter being propped up from behind so that his opponent can continue beating the hell out of him.
Our debt and deficit levels in this country will not allow us to continue this interventionism. We have got to return to Washington's vision:
...(N)othing is more essential than that permanent, inveterate antipathies against particular nations, and passionate attachments for others, should be excluded; and that, in place of them, just and amicable feelings towards all should be cultivated. The nation which indulges towards another a habitual hatred or a habitual fondness is in some degree a slave. It is a slave to its animosity or to its affection, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interest. Antipathy in one nation against another disposes each more readily to offer insult and injury, to lay hold of slight causes of umbrage, and to be haughty and intractable, when accidental or trifling occasions of dispute occur. Hence, frequent collisions, obstinate, envenomed, and bloody contests.
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Post by Fiddler on Nov 7, 2024 16:41:37 GMT
Arch.. Your Fake News is lying to you .. We're producing more oil that anyone ..
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Post by freonbale on Nov 7, 2024 17:06:13 GMT
Actually, he said he would end it BEFORE he became president. He has two months to keep his word. Freon |
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Post by demos on Nov 7, 2024 17:07:49 GMT
Alternately: Ukraine is forced to confront the brutal reality that they're losing this war and have been for 2 years. |
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Post by demos on Nov 7, 2024 17:19:45 GMT
Here's the latest - from the Wall Street Journal (paywall) - on what a Trump admin might do:
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Post by thor on Nov 7, 2024 17:56:12 GMT
The brutal reality is that the West has sacrificed a generation of Ukrainian men and the result will be exactly the same as if Ukraine had negotiated an end to the war early on. But hey, the Russian forces are also diminished, so it’s very noble. Delusional. Who attacked who with intent to conquer, retard? |
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Post by queshank on Nov 7, 2024 18:07:35 GMT
The West sacrificed Ukrainians? I believe it is the Russian bombs, shells and drones that are killing Ukrainians. The West supplying the Ukranian military with arms, intel and logistics is why they're not under Putin's rule. Stopping the flow of arms will be when they're sacrificed, which will be in the next few months.
/facepalm
2 1/2 years later you're still bewitched by propaganda.
Queshank
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Post by rabbitreborn on Nov 7, 2024 18:13:01 GMT
The brutal reality is that the West has sacrificed a generation of Ukrainian men and the result will be exactly the same as if Ukraine had negotiated an end to the war early on. But hey, the Russian forces are also diminished, so it’s very noble. Delusional. Who attacked who with intent to conquer, retard? Irrelevant. Russia will end up with the regions they wanted anyway. Easy for Chickenhawks to think it’s noble for the war to occur and hundreds of thousands to die just for the same result. Go help Ukraine, thor. They need you. |
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Post by queshank on Nov 7, 2024 18:16:51 GMT
They could just call it "reality." It's the same thing. Queshank |
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Post by petep on Nov 7, 2024 19:10:16 GMT
Would be nice if trump brokered a deal where all could win. Russia has tremendous economic opportunity if they’d play nice.
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Post by MojoJojo on Nov 7, 2024 19:41:06 GMT
The West sacrificed Ukrainians? I believe it is the Russian bombs, shells and drones that are killing Ukrainians. The West supplying the Ukranian military with arms, intel and logistics is why they're not under Putin's rule. Stopping the flow of arms will be when they're sacrificed, which will be in the next few months. /facepalm 2 1/2 years later you're still bewitched by propaganda.
Queshank
Nah, not the propaganda...my own personal bias. I equate Ukraine's fight for sovereignty amd independence with our own. Don't need the war machine to sell me what I've already bought! |
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Post by thor on Nov 8, 2024 4:58:02 GMT
Delusional. Who attacked who with intent to conquer, retard? Irrelevant. Russia will end up with the regions they wanted anyway. Easy for Chickenhawks to think it’s noble for the war to occur and hundreds of thousands to die just for the same result. Go help Ukraine, thor. They need you. OK, bootlicker and Bush 43 voter. Like limey, I reached out to Ukraine, because I'm not a Cuck. Too old. C'est la Guerre. And I did I knowing what war is like (not like a guy who stayed in Kuwait) and got a Purple Heart to prove it, because I am not a moral or physical coward, like you are.  |
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