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Post by demos on Oct 14, 2024 17:30:36 GMT
This was an interesting story from yesterday, and given the contentiousness of the holiday, seems appropriate for the politics board:
Some Italians right now:
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Post by petep on Oct 14, 2024 18:21:03 GMT
Will the left hate Columbus more or less now
Then we had to remove his statue because he was a white european puritanical racist killer
If he is a Jew - now let’s see the hate fly.
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Post by HolyMoly on Oct 14, 2024 21:36:28 GMT
Is a mass murderer Jew or Gentile? Doesn't matter.
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Post by freonbale on Oct 14, 2024 21:58:06 GMT
This was an interesting story from yesterday, and given the contentiousness of the holiday, seems appropriate for the politics board:
Some Italians right now:
Doesn't change his story to me at all. Freon |
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Post by demos on Oct 14, 2024 22:10:50 GMT
Doesn't change his story to me at all. Freon Maybe not for you, but there's a reason I included the Sopranos reference.
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Post by freonbale on Oct 14, 2024 22:24:19 GMT
Doesn't change his story to me at all. Freon Maybe not for you, but there's a reason I included the Sopranos reference.
Not my kind of flick. Care to enlighten me on the reference? My opinion comes from the Jewish perspective. Freon |
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Post by demos on Oct 14, 2024 22:39:05 GMT
Not my kind of flick. Care to enlighten me on the reference? My opinion comes from the Jewish perspective. Freon You've never seen the Sopranos? Oh my. It's not The Wire, but definitely one of HBO's top series.
There's an episode (Season 4, episode 3) about Columbus Day and a protest against Columbus. The discussion outside the butcher's (and later) is about how Columbus is a hero for Italian immigrants. Can read more about that here (particularly the 8th and 9th paragraphs).
So, if he's not Italian, then that impacts their story/heritage somewhat as it is a point of pride for their descendants.
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Post by thecitizen on Oct 14, 2024 22:54:38 GMT
Not my kind of flick. Care to enlighten me on the reference? My opinion comes from the Jewish perspective. Freon You've never seen the Sopranos? Oh my. It's not The Wire, but definitely one of HBO's top series.
There's an episode (Season 4, episode 3) about Columbus Day and a protest against Columbus. The discussion outside the butcher's (and later) is about how Columbus is a hero for Italian immigrants. Can read more about that here (particularly the 8th and 9th paragraphs).
So, if he's not Italian, then that impacts their story/heritage somewhat as it is a point of pride for their descendants.
The history of the Jews in Italy spans more than two thousand years to the present. The Jewish presence in Italy dates to the pre-Christian Roman period and has continued, despite periods of extreme persecution and expulsions, until the present. As of 2019, the estimated core Jewish population in Italy numbers around 45,000 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Italy |
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Post by demos on Oct 14, 2024 22:57:16 GMT
The history of the Jews in Italy spans more than two thousand years to the present. The Jewish presence in Italy dates to the pre-Christian Roman period and has continued, despite periods of extreme persecution and expulsions, until the present. As of 2019, the estimated core Jewish population in Italy numbers around 45,000 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_ItalyGreat, but according to this guy's study, Columbus is a Spanish Jew (i.e., a Sephardic Jew).
Some questions raised about his research though.
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Post by thecitizen on Oct 14, 2024 23:08:31 GMT
The history of the Jews in Italy spans more than two thousand years to the present. The Jewish presence in Italy dates to the pre-Christian Roman period and has continued, despite periods of extreme persecution and expulsions, until the present. As of 2019, the estimated core Jewish population in Italy numbers around 45,000 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_ItalyGreat, but according to this guy's study, Columbus is a Spanish Jew (i.e., a Sephardic Jew).
Some questions raised about his research though.
He was born in Italy, so that makes him Italian. However, he led four transatlantic maritime expeditions in the name of the Catholic Monarchs of Spain to the Caribbean and to Central and South America. |
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Post by demos on Oct 14, 2024 23:15:39 GMT
He was born in Italy, so that makes him Italian. However, he led four transatlantic maritime expeditions in the name of the Catholic Monarchs of Spain to the Caribbean and to Central and South America. Right, that's the traditional history, but again, this new study argues that he wasn't Italian:
"While Lorente acknowledged that he had not been able to pinpoint Columbus’s place of birth, he said the likelihood was that he had come from the Spanish Mediterranean region."
However, his findings have not been peer reviewed and the DNA results have not been shared with anyone else apparently.
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Post by DaveJavu on Oct 14, 2024 23:21:46 GMT
He was born in Italy, so that makes him Italian. However, he led four transatlantic maritime expeditions in the name of the Catholic Monarchs of Spain to the Caribbean and to Central and South America. Right, that's the traditional history, but again, this new study argues that he wasn't Italian:
"While Lorente acknowledged that he had not been able to pinpoint Columbus’s place of birth, he said the likelihood was that he had come from the Spanish Mediterranean region."
However, his findings have not been peer reviewed and the DNA results have not been shared with anyone else apparently.
How did he get certified DNA from Columbus? It seems absurdly dicey... |
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Post by demos on Oct 14, 2024 23:26:51 GMT
How did he get certified DNA from Columbus? It seems absurdly dicey... They studied the remains that are in Seville.
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Post by DaveJavu on Oct 14, 2024 23:30:18 GMT
How did he get certified DNA from Columbus? It seems absurdly dicey... They studied the remains that are in Seville.
I have a hard time believing that all the DNA wouldn't decompose after so long a time. These are very complex and quite fragile molecules. |
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Post by freonbale on Oct 14, 2024 23:48:54 GMT
Not my kind of flick. Care to enlighten me on the reference? My opinion comes from the Jewish perspective. Freon You've never seen the Sopranos? Oh my. It's not The Wire, but definitely one of HBO's top series.
There's an episode (Season 4, episode 3) about Columbus Day and a protest against Columbus. The discussion outside the butcher's (and later) is about how Columbus is a hero for Italian immigrants. Can read more about that here (particularly the 8th and 9th paragraphs).
So, if he's not Italian, then that impacts their story/heritage somewhat as it is a point of pride for their descendants.
Whoa, yeah, I can see your point now. Appreciate the explain. Freon |
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Post by thecitizen on Oct 15, 2024 3:15:27 GMT
He was born in Italy, so that makes him Italian. However, he led four transatlantic maritime expeditions in the name of the Catholic Monarchs of Spain to the Caribbean and to Central and South America. Right, that's the traditional history, but again, this new study argues that he wasn't Italian:
"While Lorente acknowledged that he had not been able to pinpoint Columbus’s place of birth, he said the likelihood was that he had come from the Spanish Mediterranean region."
However, his findings have not been peer reviewed and the DNA results have not been shared with anyone else apparently.
All historical accounts I have read says he was born in Italy. DNA does not determine where you were born |
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Post by bama beau on Oct 15, 2024 3:19:34 GMT
This was an interesting story from yesterday, and given the contentiousness of the holiday, seems appropriate for the politics board:
Some Italians right now:
Easy way to find out if the barbarian Columbus was Jewish or not: Check the margins of his charts for #s of Chinese restaurants. |
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Post by greebnurt on Oct 15, 2024 13:26:11 GMT
Will the left hate Columbus more or less now Then we had to remove his statue because he was a white european puritanical racist killer If he is a Jew - now let’s see the hate fly. So, you're a fan of the guy? |
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