bama beau
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Post by bama beau on Sept 30, 2024 6:05:36 GMT
And more importantly, why?
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Post by Fiddler on Oct 10, 2024 3:41:08 GMT
And more importantly, why? God should thank us for religion.. He wouldn't exist had we not created it. Science is what stands between us and darkness... Without it we live in fear of the shadows created by religion.
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Post by freonbale on Oct 16, 2024 21:50:57 GMT
And more importantly, why? Super strange question, but I do appreciate a challenge. First, there is Religion, and there is Faith. They are distinct. Religion is a set of beliefs, traditions, and rules that a group chooses to adhere to, where the beliefs are often (but not always) based on an unprovable premise. This is critical, because if the premises could be proven, then you would have belief, but not Faith. Faith is belief without proof. It is a leap. A choice to believe in something DESPITE there being no proof. That's why it is so powerful. And I am indeed thankful for it. Religion is merely a means of focusing a person's Faith, and as we've seen, that foci has been hijacked throughout history to commit atrocities. The current followers of those religions most guilty of historic atrocities seem to believe that it was PEOPLE, and not the Religion, that caused them, but not all Religions have committed them, and the ones that have, have done so repeatedly. This argues that there is something about those particular Religions that are at fault, that make it easier for people to hijack them towards those atrocities. Science, on the other hand, is not itself a belief. It is a self-correcting process to discover the truths of the physical world. One does not 'believe in science'. That makes no sense. But one can believe that the scientific method is the most efficient and accurate tool for doing so, and flipped around, that Religion is the worst tool to do so. But one would NOT use science to define morality. Or ethics. Or goodness. Or evilness. Or the soul. Those are purely the purview of Religion. In that sense, Religion has value, and I am grateful to it. Freon
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bama beau
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Post by bama beau on Nov 12, 2024 3:57:19 GMT
And more importantly, why? Super strange question, but I do appreciate a challenge. First, there is Religion, and there is Faith. They are distinct. Religion is a set of beliefs, traditions, and rules that a group chooses to adhere to, where the beliefs are often (but not always) based on an unprovable premise. This is critical, because if the premises could be proven, then you would have belief, but not Faith. Faith is belief without proof. It is a leap. A choice to believe in something DESPITE there being no proof. That's why it is so powerful. And I am indeed thankful for it. Religion is merely a means of focusing a person's Faith, and as we've seen, that foci has been hijacked throughout history to commit atrocities. The current followers of those religions most guilty of historic atrocities seem to believe that it was PEOPLE, and not the Religion, that caused them, but not all Religions have committed them, and the ones that have, have done so repeatedly. This argues that there is something about those particular Religions that are at fault, that make it easier for people to hijack them towards those atrocities. Science, on the other hand, is not itself a belief. It is a self-correcting process to discover the truths of the physical world. One does not 'believe in science'. That makes no sense. But one can believe that the scientific method is the most efficient and accurate tool for doing so, and flipped around, that Religion is the worst tool to do so. But one would NOT use science to define morality. Or ethics. Or goodness. Or evilness. Or the soul. Those are purely the purview of Religion. In that sense, Religion has value, and I am grateful to it. Freon I'd wonder what percentage of people either believe in science or don't believe in it, whether that makes any sense or not. I'd think most people who do believe in science sensibly do so for most of the reasons you stated.
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Post by freonbale on Nov 12, 2024 5:33:14 GMT
Super strange question, but I do appreciate a challenge. First, there is Religion, and there is Faith. They are distinct. Religion is a set of beliefs, traditions, and rules that a group chooses to adhere to, where the beliefs are often (but not always) based on an unprovable premise. This is critical, because if the premises could be proven, then you would have belief, but not Faith. Faith is belief without proof. It is a leap. A choice to believe in something DESPITE there being no proof. That's why it is so powerful. And I am indeed thankful for it. Religion is merely a means of focusing a person's Faith, and as we've seen, that foci has been hijacked throughout history to commit atrocities. The current followers of those religions most guilty of historic atrocities seem to believe that it was PEOPLE, and not the Religion, that caused them, but not all Religions have committed them, and the ones that have, have done so repeatedly. This argues that there is something about those particular Religions that are at fault, that make it easier for people to hijack them towards those atrocities. Science, on the other hand, is not itself a belief. It is a self-correcting process to discover the truths of the physical world. One does not 'believe in science'. That makes no sense. But one can believe that the scientific method is the most efficient and accurate tool for doing so, and flipped around, that Religion is the worst tool to do so. But one would NOT use science to define morality. Or ethics. Or goodness. Or evilness. Or the soul. Those are purely the purview of Religion. In that sense, Religion has value, and I am grateful to it. Freon I'd wonder what percentage of people either believe in science or don't believe in it, whether that makes any sense or not. I'd think most people who do believe in science sensibly do so for most of the reasons you stated. People who 'don't believe in science' are the ones convinced science is something that requires belief in. You see it in here all the time, when people don't like something, but ask the wrong questions to support their dislike. In the end, they are simply making a choice not to follow the scientific consensus, because they are predisposed to believe something they cannot prove. Freon
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