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Post by thecitizen on Sept 4, 2024 22:07:26 GMT
So you don’t know what a disclaimer is and what makes you think all social media outlets won’t have a disclaimer if it is made into law I know what a disclaimer is. And I don't know; maybe because we see how the government has behaved before.
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Post by thor on Sept 5, 2024 17:31:02 GMT
I don’t think you know what disclaimer is. It does not specify what is or is not misinformation. It does not censor. It is inconceivable to think that a disclaimer can be abused. You're saying to add a disclaimer that what is being shown/watched is not trustworthy. That can be selectively applied. That can be abused. Just like the misinformation label has been selectively applied and abused.
The government can abuse its power though. And has, repeatedly. We need to protect against that, and one way to prevent abuses is to not give them additional tools and levers, to not give them expansive powers.
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Post by demos on Sept 5, 2024 18:58:59 GMT
Since your usual answer is "us" (aka the people), it was about 15 percent of the population who voted in the Texas primaries for the gerrymandered districts.
But if we want to have a real conversation, it's the people who draw those gerrymandered districts (getting to choose their voters rather than the other way around), restrict ballot access, and put up other barriers to restrict competition.
Which goes to my point in this thread and others. Do you really want them deciding this stuff?
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Post by Odysseus on Sept 5, 2024 19:29:26 GMT
Since your usual answer is "us" (aka the people), it was about 15 percent of the population who voted in the Texas primaries for the gerrymandered districts.
But if we want to have a real conversation, it's the people who draw those gerrymandered districts (getting to choose their voters rather than the other way around), restrict ballot access, and put up other barriers to restrict competition.
Which goes to my point in this thread and others. Do you really want them deciding this stuff?
You provide a fantastic scenario which I very much doubt is the standard for most "people"...
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Post by thor on Sept 5, 2024 22:08:59 GMT
Since your usual answer is "us" (aka the people), it was about 15 percent of the population who voted in the Texas primaries for the gerrymandered districts.
But if we want to have a real conversation, it's the people who draw those gerrymandered districts (getting to choose their voters rather than the other way around), restrict ballot access, and put up other barriers to restrict competition.
Which goes to my point in this thread and others. Do you really want them deciding this stuff?
Fair point. You agree that it is up to the people to fix that shit....right? Because they can, no? |
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Post by demos on Sept 6, 2024 12:54:02 GMT
Fair point. You agree that it is up to the people to fix that shit....right? Because they can, no?To a degree, yes, i.e., to the extent that the rules allow for it.
Because Austinites are able to put propositions on the ballot through petition, we have actual city council districts now, instead of citywide seats.
Of course, when they drew them, they made it so most of them emanate from downtown, because they wanted to ensure the neighborhood associations and downtown clique still had the advantage.
It's a never ending battle; has been since 1776. And I don't want to give them any additional tools they can use/abuse.
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Post by thor on Sept 6, 2024 18:50:11 GMT
Fair point. You agree that it is up to the people to fix that shit....right? Because they can, no?To a degree, yes, i.e., to the extent that the rules allow for it.
Because Austinites are able to put propositions on the ballot through petition, we have actual city council districts now, instead of citywide seats.
Of course, when they drew them, they made it so most of them emanate from downtown, because they wanted to ensure the neighborhood associations and downtown clique still had the advantage.
It's a never ending battle; has been since 1776. And I don't want to give them any additional tools they can use/abuse.
Quite the conundrum, then. Living the the Untied States requited 'advanced citizenship'. You need to show up. Part of the reason things have gone the way they have is because many people 'checked' out, because of boredom, or because they thought the battle was over, or...well you get the idea. The most committed people will win. Every time. No matter how many years (or how many lives) it takes. Cases in point: Dobbs. Vietnam. Afghanistan. They way you fight this is by showing up. For the long haul. Go out and sell your ideas - if they don't take hold, perhaps your ideas aren't that good in the first place. Or perhaps you suck at selling them. And there's another thing: It's hard for people to care about demos' (or thor's) pet issue 'A' when they don't know where their next meal is coming from. Or rent, Etc., etc., etc. |
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Post by demos on Sept 6, 2024 18:58:50 GMT
Quite the conundrum, then. Living the the Untied States requited 'advanced citizenship'. You need to show up. Part of the reason things have gone the way they have is because many people 'checked' out, because of boredom, or because they thought the battle was over, or...well you get the idea. The most committed people will win. Every time. No matter how many years (or how many lives) it takes. Cases in point: Dobbs. Vietnam. Afghanistan. They way you fight this is by showing up. For the long haul. Go out and sell your ideas - if they don't take hold, perhaps your ideas aren't that good in the first place. Or perhaps you suck at selling them. And there's another thing: It's hard for people to care about demos' (or thor's) pet issue 'A' when they don't know where their next meal is coming from. Or rent, Etc., etc., etc. When I show up on November 5th, my vote will not matter in the Congressional, state senate, or state house races. Those races were decided a long time ago (in some cases at least a decade ago; they haven't even had primary opponents).
Nationwide, out of 435 House seats, there are 22 that are tossups.
It's not just that people have checked out. I show up and vote in every election, but outside of a few races, my voice doesn't count for anything.
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