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Post by rabbitreborn on Sept 3, 2024 16:58:38 GMT
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Post by rabbitreborn on Sept 3, 2024 21:13:45 GMT
Should the owners of AT&T be held accountable for people lying on cell phones?
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Post by Fiddler on Sept 3, 2024 21:15:48 GMT
Should the owners of AT&T be held accountable for people lying on cell phones? Are there millions of people on the call at the same time ?
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Post by demos on Sept 3, 2024 21:27:31 GMT
Are there millions of people on the call at the same time ?
Should they be held accountable if their customers use their service and phones to commit crimes a la Telegram? What if they won't comply with federal orders to turn over info on their users/customers?
Also, some of the people on Twitter are probably using an AT&T service (network, phone, etc.) to access Twitter and post.
How far should we take this? Why stop at Musk?
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Post by rabbitreborn on Sept 3, 2024 21:42:22 GMT
Should the owners of AT&T be held accountable for people lying on cell phones? Are there millions of people on the call at the same time ?
I imagine that technology is coming. What’s the number that turns “free speech lies” into “arrest them! lies”? Is it ten thousand? And if we find that news outlets deliberately lie to the people? Or politicians? Is that worse than owning a platform where some people lie? This is disgusting.
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Post by MojoJojo on Sept 3, 2024 21:48:16 GMT
Yeah, that's going too far.
Otherwise, I pretty much agree with Reich's criticism and some of the suggested actions. Genuinely surprised he penned such an obviously wrong remedy.
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Post by HolyMoly on Sept 3, 2024 22:06:48 GMT
It's not illegal to be a rich scumbag.
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Post by Odysseus on Sept 3, 2024 23:07:55 GMT
It's not illegal to be a rich scumbag.
Trump is a sterling example of that...
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Post by HolyMoly on Sept 4, 2024 0:18:52 GMT
It's not illegal to be a rich scumbag.
Trump is a sterling example of that...
He's definitely the poster child.
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Post by Fiddler on Sept 4, 2024 1:17:46 GMT
Are there millions of people on the call at the same time ?
Should they be held accountable if their customers use their service and phones to commit crimes a la Telegram? What if they won't comply with federal orders to turn over info on their users/customers?
Also, some of the people on Twitter are probably using an AT&T service (network, phone, etc.) to access Twitter and post.
How far should we take this? Why stop at Musk?
We haven't reached the 'arrest Musk' mark .. but ..
I still believe there was a point at which Hitler could have been stopped. .. and yes it would have required an authority stepping in to deprive him of a right the vast majority of us do not abuse. It seems to me to be the ultimate extension of "can't scream fire in a crowded theater" .. turned up to 11 ..
I don't at all claim to know where that point was/is .. but I have to believe it does exists and that we are or would be cowards for backing away in fear of being seen as intolerant.
When the douche in the lifeboat won't stop drilling holes in the bottom .. there comes a time to throw his ass overboard ..
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Post by atreyu on Sept 4, 2024 1:21:47 GMT
Should they be held accountable if their customers use their service and phones to commit crimes a la Telegram? What if they won't comply with federal orders to turn over info on their users/customers?
Also, some of the people on Twitter are probably using an AT&T service (network, phone, etc.) to access Twitter and post.
How far should we take this? Why stop at Musk?
We haven't reached the 'arrest Musk' mark .. but ..
I still believe there was a point at which Hitler could have been stopped. .. and yes it would have required an authority stepping in to deprive him of a right the vast majority of us do not abuse. It seems to me to be the ultimate extension of "can't scream fire in a crowded theater" .. turned up to 11 ..
I don't at all claim to know where that point was/is .. but I have to believe it does exists and that we are or would be cowards for backing away in fear of being seen as intolerant.
When the douche in the lifeboat won't stop drilling holes in the bottom .. there comes a time to throw his ass overboard ..
There's a pretty easy remedy to end Musk. Don't visit twitter, don't post links from twitter, don't do anything that puts money in twitter's pocket.
Musk can move on to Truth Social where even MAGA doesn't go.
To be fair, twitter is likely to die regardless.
Then again.... Trump will be perfectly willing to end businesses for saying things that are against him.
Damn. Well, I think it's still better to not become the enemy.
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Post by Fiddler on Sept 4, 2024 1:33:41 GMT
We haven't reached the 'arrest Musk' mark .. but ..
I still believe there was a point at which Hitler could have been stopped. .. and yes it would have required an authority stepping in to deprive him of a right the vast majority of us do not abuse. It seems to me to be the ultimate extension of "can't scream fire in a crowded theater" .. turned up to 11 ..
I don't at all claim to know where that point was/is .. but I have to believe it does exists and that we are or would be cowards for backing away in fear of being seen as intolerant.
When the douche in the lifeboat won't stop drilling holes in the bottom .. there comes a time to throw his ass overboard ..
There's a pretty easy remedy to end Musk. Don't visit twitter, don't post links from twitter, don't do anything that puts money in twitter's pocket.
Musk can move on to Truth Social where even MAGA doesn't go.
To be fair, twitter is likely to die regardless.
It's weird.. It's like Musk set out to destroy Twitter ..
10 years ago I was cautiously optimistic about Musk.. and then he confirmed the seemingly inevitable path between insane wealth and fascism ..
Sad ..
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Post by Odysseus on Sept 4, 2024 2:21:15 GMT
I've never been impressed by Musk.
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Post by demos on Sept 4, 2024 14:52:58 GMT
We haven't reached the 'arrest Musk' mark .. but ..
I still believe there was a point at which Hitler could have been stopped. .. and yes it would have required an authority stepping in to deprive him of a right the vast majority of us do not abuse. It seems to me to be the ultimate extension of "can't scream fire in a crowded theater" .. turned up to 11 ..
I don't at all claim to know where that point was/is .. but I have to believe it does exists and that we are or would be cowards for backing away in fear of being seen as intolerant.
When the douche in the lifeboat won't stop drilling holes in the bottom .. there comes a time to throw his ass overboard ..
Germany tried censoring Hitler and Nazi publications; even imprisoned them for violating speech laws: Source
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Post by queshank on Sept 4, 2024 15:00:54 GMT
The left declines just a bit further cuz why not? You can always become more illiberal.
Queshank
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Post by thecitizen on Sept 4, 2024 15:02:36 GMT
Are there millions of people on the call at the same time ?
I imagine that technology is coming. What’s the number that turns “free speech lies” into “arrest them! lies”? Is it ten thousand? And if we find that news outlets deliberately lie to the people? Or politicians? Is that worse than owning a platform where some people lie? This is disgusting. There should be a disclaimer on social media outlets and news commentator outlets like FOX use the term “allegedly” when they report things they have not researched instead of repeating lies they heard and acting like it is news
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Post by rabbitreborn on Sept 4, 2024 15:50:37 GMT
I imagine that technology is coming. What’s the number that turns “free speech lies” into “arrest them! lies”? Is it ten thousand? And if we find that news outlets deliberately lie to the people? Or politicians? Is that worse than owning a platform where some people lie? This is disgusting. There should be a disclaimer on social media outlets and news commentator outlets like FOX use the term “allegedly” when they report things they have not researched instead of repeating lies they heard and acting like it is news That would be a sharp-and-focused regulation to enact.
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Post by demos on Sept 4, 2024 15:56:09 GMT
There should be a disclaimer on social media outlets and news commentator outlets like FOX use the term “allegedly” when they report things they have not researched instead of repeating lies they heard and acting like it is news Or - hear me out here - don't swallow everything you read or watch hook, line, and sinker without doing some basic due diligence.
Be a smart consumer of information.
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Post by Fiddler on Sept 4, 2024 17:20:35 GMT
The left declines just a bit further cuz why not? You can always become more illiberal.
Queshank
Liberalism is not a religion.. but here's a couple of stone tablets and a chisel if you want to jot anything down ..
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Post by queshank on Sept 4, 2024 17:22:15 GMT
The left declines just a bit further cuz why not? You can always become more illiberal.
Queshank
Liberalism is not a religion.. but here's a couple of stone tablets and a chisel if you want to jot anything down ..
I know. Kind of my point my friend.
Leftism is tho. Queshank
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