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Post by Monster Man on Sept 3, 2024 15:59:03 GMT
No, you want to discriminate illegally and unconstitutionally. You just need to win court cases for that to be true. So..., GO! Freon Already have. It is amazing how ignorant you are. |
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Post by rabbitreborn on Sept 3, 2024 16:05:09 GMT
We all are. What you're omitting is the word "only". Because you're one of the most intellectually dishonest people on this forum. If we all are, then the point is moot. Freon Look at that. More extremely poor reasoning abilities. To disregard the word "only", twice now, either portrays a desperate dishonesty or a lack of capability. Everybody is partisan. We are tribal creatures. But if you let that attribute rule your thinking, you end up exactly where you are. |
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Post by atreyu on Sept 3, 2024 16:15:33 GMT
No, you had nothing.
There's been plenty of posts on what's similar, you've got nothing that is dissimilar.
That's sad, and speaks volumes to what you're actually capable of as a "functioning" adult.
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Post by Monster Man on Sept 3, 2024 16:53:11 GMT
No, you had nothing.
There's been plenty of posts on what's similar, you've got nothing that is dissimilar.
That's sad, and speaks volumes to what you're actually capable of as a "functioning" adult.
If only your argument was one about similarities... but it wasn't. You got nothing. |
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Post by Fiddler on Sept 3, 2024 16:58:35 GMT
The far right is notorious for using double-speak to talk about their goals, like, 'school choice', really meaning tax subsidized religious schooling, and 'free speech', really meaning boundaryless hate speech. The blueprint for Donald's presidency is Project 2025, and this site ( link) provides a nice way of digging through it, without having to deal with all the double-speak. Enjoy. Freon No, we don't use "double-speak" when we talk about out goals,
LMAO .. You idiot .. You don't have to ask me so politely for an ass kicking.. I'm always happy to oblige .. but since you did..
You're one of the millions of gullible MAGA (<-redundant) half-wits that sucked deep and swallowed the terms "Death Tax", "Compassionate Conservatism", "Death Panels", "Partial-birth Abortion", Alternative Facts.. . You fools actually THINK in those terms ..
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Post by freonbale on Sept 3, 2024 17:03:06 GMT
Show me anywhere in the world where outcomes of voucher systems are higher than non-voucher systems like ours. Then you will have an actual case. Freon Keep moving them goal posts... Freon: DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR You can't fund religious schools! DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR Me: Sure you can, this is how. Freon: DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR Well, outcomes are not better DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR You're not getting what's going on here, MM, lol. It's not goal posts, it's that you have to convince me to do what you want, or nothing will change, which in this case, is fine by me. I've given you a path to convince me, and you have responded that you cannot. Freon |
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Post by freonbale on Sept 3, 2024 17:03:29 GMT
You just need to win court cases for that to be true. So..., GO! Freon Already have. It is amazing how ignorant you are. Great. Show me. Freon |
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Post by freonbale on Sept 3, 2024 17:04:59 GMT
If we all are, then the point is moot. Freon Look at that. More extremely poor reasoning abilities. To disregard the word "only", twice now, either portrays a desperate dishonesty or a lack of capability. Everybody is partisan. We are tribal creatures. But if you let that attribute rule your thinking, you end up exactly where you are. So your logic is that if everyone is something, but some are not, then we are what we are? That's not just bad logic, it's BIZARRE logic. Freon |
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Post by Monster Man on Sept 3, 2024 17:15:54 GMT
Already have. It is amazing how ignorant you are. Great. Show me. Freon Not only ignorant, but too dumb to remember I have already shown you. Not only once... but this is at least the second time you have done this. Just amazing what an ignorant idiot you are. libertynewsforum.boards.net/post/390240/thread |
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Post by Monster Man on Sept 3, 2024 17:17:08 GMT
Keep moving them goal posts... Freon: DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR You can't fund religious schools! DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR Me: Sure you can, this is how. Freon: DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR Well, outcomes are not better DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR You're not getting what's going on here, MM, lol. It's not goal posts, it's that you have to convince me to do what you want, or nothing will change, which in this case, is fine by me. I've given you a path to convince me, and you have responded that you cannot. Freon Oh I get it, just another Freon making shit up thread and then being too dishonest and dumb to own up to it. |
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Post by rabbitreborn on Sept 3, 2024 17:39:26 GMT
Look at that. More extremely poor reasoning abilities. To disregard the word "only", twice now, either portrays a desperate dishonesty or a lack of capability. Everybody is partisan. We are tribal creatures. But if you let that attribute rule your thinking, you end up exactly where you are. So your logic is that if everyone is something, but some are not, then we are what we are? No. If you need me to dumb it down further, I can try. But you need to ask instead of making terribly foolish assumptions. |
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Post by Paleocon on Sept 3, 2024 17:58:44 GMT
What we need is a Freon translator. He practices communication through projection.
No, we don't use "double-speak" when we talk about out goals, but far leftists like Freon do (we do laugh when he and his ilk claim to be moderate.
And while school choice can and should include religious schools, it's certainly not limited to those schools. Freon knows that the freedom to choose would end liberals' indoctrination regime in education. Funny how folks like Freon are all for "choice" when it comes to slaughtering unborn children, but whine and cry when that choice is where a child is educated.
Why is more freedom for individuals so repulsive to you, Freon?
Freon was pretty clear in telling us that he wants boundaries on free speech based on his idea of "hate speech". This is double speak that really means that "we liberals are all for censorship as long as we get to decide what is to be censored".
Once again, why is more freedom for individuals so repulsive to you, Freon?
Tax-funded religious schools cross the line between separation of Church and State. If you want religious school for your kids, pay for it separately. No one is banning your schools, we just don't want to pay for it for you. I sent my kids to religious school, and my parents sent me. Just pay for it yourself, like the rest of us. If you want the PUBLIC system to have liberalism in it, you will have to adjust the curriculum in your state, as many states have. Florida, for instance, is basically denying AP credit to their children, in the name of conservatism. I am FOR free speech, but I believe there are boundaries around it. You are saying you do not? Freon Yeah, I took a peak at the Constitution and the separation of church and state are no where to be found, but you knew that already, didn't you? If the government dictated that school choice money had to be spent for a religious school of a certain religion, that would inch into the Establishment Clause. But the government steps away and gives parents the choice.
Religious folks pay taxes, too, in case you've forgotten. We don't want to pay for your perverted, woke, secular brainwashing centers known as public schools either. If you want your kids in such a place, why can't YOU pay for it yourself?
And get it straight about Florida....they are denying AP credit for woke, racist indoctrination sessions that are not "advanced" at all.
Concerning these free speech "boundaries" that you speak of....who gets to determine those limits? You? How about me? Since you're all about restrictions, you'd be glad if I determined what you can and cannot say, right? Now do you see where the danger is in any restrictions on free speech?
If your ideology had any real value, you wouldn't be so adamant in wanting to silence those who disagree. Silencing and punishing what is subjectively labelled as "disinformation" is dictatorial and anti-democratic.
Democrats, once the champions of individual rights and liberties, are now the authoritarians
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Post by freonbale on Sept 3, 2024 18:20:05 GMT
You're not getting what's going on here, MM, lol. It's not goal posts, it's that you have to convince me to do what you want, or nothing will change, which in this case, is fine by me. I've given you a path to convince me, and you have responded that you cannot. Freon Oh I get it, just another Freon making shit up thread and then being too dishonest and dumb to own up to it. Do you speak English? Because that is a bizarre response to what I wrote. Learn English in just five minutes a day! Hope this link helps you. Freon |
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Post by freonbale on Sept 3, 2024 18:21:15 GMT
So your logic is that if everyone is something, but some are not, then we are what we are? No. If you need me to dumb it down further, I can try. But you need to ask instead of making terribly foolish assumptions. Notice that question mark in my response. That's called a question. And then you said I need to ask a question. Weird. Freon |
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Post by freonbale on Sept 3, 2024 18:22:48 GMT
Not only ignorant, but too dumb to remember I have already shown you. Not only once... but this is at least the second time you have done this. Just amazing what an ignorant idiot you are. libertynewsforum.boards.net/post/390240/threadNotice in that thread, I said NEARLY 100%. The outliers do not make a case for you. They are NOT doing better than non-voucher locations. So what is the incentive for ME to vote for change? Freon |
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Post by freonbale on Sept 3, 2024 18:26:32 GMT
Tax-funded religious schools cross the line between separation of Church and State. If you want religious school for your kids, pay for it separately. No one is banning your schools, we just don't want to pay for it for you. I sent my kids to religious school, and my parents sent me. Just pay for it yourself, like the rest of us. If you want the PUBLIC system to have liberalism in it, you will have to adjust the curriculum in your state, as many states have. Florida, for instance, is basically denying AP credit to their children, in the name of conservatism. I am FOR free speech, but I believe there are boundaries around it. You are saying you do not? Freon Yeah, I took a peak at the Constitution and the separation of church and state are no where to be found, but you knew that already, didn't you? If the government dictated that school choice money had to be spent for a religious school of a certain religion, that would inch into the Establishment Clause. But the government steps away and gives parents the choice.
Religious folks pay taxes, too, in case you've forgotten. We don't want to pay for your perverted, woke, secular brainwashing centers known as public schools either. If you want your kids in such a place, why can't YOU pay for it yourself?
And get it straight about Florida....they are denying AP credit for woke, racist indoctrination sessions that are not "advanced" at all.
Concerning these free speech "boundaries" that you speak of....who gets to determine those limits? You? How about me? Since you're all about restrictions, you'd be glad if I determined what you can and cannot say, right? Now do you see where the danger is in any restrictions on free speech?
If your ideology had any real value, you wouldn't be so adamant in wanting to silence those who disagree. Silencing and punishing what is subjectively labelled as "disinformation" is dictatorial and anti-democratic.
Democrats, once the champions of individual rights and liberties, are now the authoritarians
Who gets to determine them? Us. You AND I. Me AND you. That's the problem with you far righties. You won't negotiate. Come to the table and negotiate. We've been waiting for you since the Civil War. Freon |
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Post by Paleocon on Sept 3, 2024 18:36:17 GMT
No, we don't use "double-speak" when we talk about out goals,
LMAO .. You idiot .. You don't have to ask me so politely for an ass kicking.. I'm always happy to oblige .. but since you did..
You're one of the millions of gullible MAGA (<-redundant) half-wits that sucked deep and swallowed the terms "Death Tax", "Compassionate Conservatism", "Death Panels", "Partial-birth Abortion", Alternative Facts.. . You fools actually THINK in those terms ..
Calling you a dumbass is an insult to other dumbasses that are still smarter than you.
Luntz in many cases is being more accurate than the watered down propaganda. "Death tax" is actually more descriptive of the brutal reality and unfairness of such a penalty than "estate tax". Partial-birth abortion reflects how the procedure was actually done, rather than the lies of the left to protect their baby killing operations.
Luntz is like you....peddling the "climate change" when global warming lie fell out of favor...that was double speak for your side, not ours, boy.
And, like you, Luntz is stupid enough to hate Trump. That alone puts him in the same dumbass category that you infest.
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Post by Monster Man on Sept 3, 2024 18:37:52 GMT
Not only ignorant, but too dumb to remember I have already shown you. Not only once... but this is at least the second time you have done this. Just amazing what an ignorant idiot you are. libertynewsforum.boards.net/post/390240/threadNotice in that thread, I said NEARLY 100%. The outliers do not make a case for you. They are NOT doing better than non-voucher locations. So what is the incentive for ME to vote for change? Freon Freon, I don't care if you change or not. Arguing with you on here about anything is a waste of time. You are not an honest person, you do not engage honestly. All you care about is playing dumb games. I was merely pointing out that, like about many things, you ignorantly tried to assert that it is not constitutional to fund religious schools through vouchers or other school choice funding. It is a simple statement of fact to correct your ignorance. Take it or don't, I don't care, you are too dishonest and ignorant either way. |
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Post by freonbale on Sept 3, 2024 18:42:46 GMT
Notice in that thread, I said NEARLY 100%. The outliers do not make a case for you. They are NOT doing better than non-voucher locations. So what is the incentive for ME to vote for change? Freon Freon, I don't care if you change or not. Arguing with you on here about anything is a waste of time. You are not an honest person, you do not engage honestly. All you care about is playing dumb games. I was merely pointing out that, like about many things, you ignorantly tried to assert that it is not constitutional to fund religious schools through vouchers or other school choice funding. It is a simple statement of fact to correct your ignorance. Take it or don't, I don't care, you are too dishonest and ignorant either way. The argument over whether the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment is interpreted as a separation of Church and State is UNRESOLVED. So my interpretation of it is reasonable. And your interpretation that it HAS been resolved is UNREASONABLE. If anyone is being dishonest here, it's you...as always. Freon |
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Post by Odysseus on Sept 3, 2024 18:43:59 GMT
Yeah, I took a peak at the Constitution and the separation of church and state are no where to be found, but you knew that already, didn't you? If the government dictated that school choice money had to be spent for a religious school of a certain religion, that would inch into the Establishment Clause. But the government steps away and gives parents the choice.
Religious folks pay taxes, too, in case you've forgotten. We don't want to pay for your perverted, woke, secular brainwashing centers known as public schools either. If you want your kids in such a place, why can't YOU pay for it yourself?
And get it straight about Florida....they are denying AP credit for woke, racist indoctrination sessions that are not "advanced" at all.
Concerning these free speech "boundaries" that you speak of....who gets to determine those limits? You? How about me? Since you're all about restrictions, you'd be glad if I determined what you can and cannot say, right? Now do you see where the danger is in any restrictions on free speech?
If your ideology had any real value, you wouldn't be so adamant in wanting to silence those who disagree. Silencing and punishing what is subjectively labelled as "disinformation" is dictatorial and anti-democratic.
Democrats, once the champions of individual rights and liberties, are now the authoritarians
Who gets to determine them? Us. You AND I. Me AND you. That's the problem with you far righties. You won't negotiate. Come to the table and negotiate. We've been waiting for you since the Civil War. Freon
Freon,
You easily are the one of the most honest people on LNF. Don't let the scum tell you otherwise.
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