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Post by thor on Sept 3, 2024 5:56:56 GMT
That'd help Lomelis, but he'll never read it. Lol I have no desire to read project 2025, 900 pages of a waste of time. Nor do I claim that Project 2025 is the Trump agenda, especially considering I've never read project 2025 and can't really compare it to the significantly shorter Trump agenda. And -you- have never read it either. But yes, I'm sure these pre-programmed responses are exactly what you will use. It cracks me up that Igor is advertising the programming for you all in one spot. It was written to keep mediocrities like you with your pants around your ankles, Shitbag. |
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Post by thor on Sept 3, 2024 5:58:34 GMT
Liberty must include the behavior that makes some people get sad and huffy and throw little fits. If it was just about the behavior that is universally approved of then it really wouldn’t mean anything. And here's the thing; we agree with you. It's the line between the two where we disagree, not the concept itself. And as you are the ones who cross that line to the greatest degree, not a major shock that you're also the ones who want it to be nearly non-existant. One tiny little problem you have to deal with though. This country is not yours. You have to share it. So you will NEVER achieve your version 'freedom'. A smart person would understand that, and negotiate, but not you far righties. Nope, you continue to believe you can have it all, despite the rest of us. Freon 'Freedom' to Fobbit is using the power of the state to make people who make him uncomfortable as second-class citizens. |
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Post by atreyu on Sept 3, 2024 11:37:58 GMT
This is easy, show me where they differ significantly in policy.
You should be able to find at least one thing right? (Yes you should... but at least you'll learn a bunch of similarities along the way.)
Go ahead, I'll wait here. Please cite the locations so that we may all validate it. Come on now, we're all counting on you, and I've even giving you some help.
I don't have to show you anything, it was your fabricated assertion.
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Post by rabbitreborn on Sept 3, 2024 11:48:22 GMT
And here's the thing; we agree with you. It's the line between the two where we disagree, not the concept itself. And as you are the ones who cross that line to the greatest degree, not a major shock that you're also the ones who want it to be nearly non-existant. One tiny little problem you have to deal with though. This country is not yours. You have to share it. So you will NEVER achieve your version 'freedom'. A smart person would understand that, and negotiate, but not you far righties. Nope, you continue to believe you can have it all, despite the rest of us. Freon 'Freedom' to Fobbit is using the power of the state to make people who make him uncomfortable as second-class citizens. Do you have any proof of this? A quote? *thor runs away from this question for the hundredth time gif* |
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Post by petep on Sept 3, 2024 11:52:35 GMT
The far right is notorious for using double-speak to talk about their goals, like, 'school choice', really meaning tax subsidized religious schooling, and 'free speech', really meaning boundaryless hate speech. The blueprint for Donald's presidency is Project 2025, and this site ( link) provides a nice way of digging through it, without having to deal with all the double-speak. Enjoy. Freon There is an assumed assumption that my money MUST be used to pay for ONLY govt run schools. Why don’t care if a parent would choose to use their allocated education funds where they choose If a parent feels their best option is a public school fine. A private non denomination school. Fine. A Catholic of Jewish school. Fine. In the VA hospital system some time ago some - not all -veterans anted to apply their funds to a hospital : care of their choice. Some VA hospitals are great. Some suck. Why is choice a bad thing. It is our money after all. |
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Post by Monster Man on Sept 3, 2024 13:21:04 GMT
I don't have to show you anything, it was your fabricated assertion.
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Post by Paleocon on Sept 3, 2024 14:18:03 GMT
The far right is notorious for using double-speak to talk about their goals, like, 'school choice', really meaning tax subsidized religious schooling, and 'free speech', really meaning boundaryless hate speech. The blueprint for Donald's presidency is Project 2025, and this site ( link) provides a nice way of digging through it, without having to deal with all the double-speak. Enjoy. Freon What we need is a Freon translator. He practices communication through projection.
No, we don't use "double-speak" when we talk about out goals, but far leftists like Freon do (we do laugh when he and his ilk claim to be moderate.
And while school choice can and should include religious schools, it's certainly not limited to those schools. Freon knows that the freedom to choose would end liberals' indoctrination regime in education. Funny how folks like Freon are all for "choice" when it comes to slaughtering unborn children, but whine and cry when that choice is where a child is educated.
Why is more freedom for individuals so repulsive to you, Freon?
Freon was pretty clear in telling us that he wants boundaries on free speech based on his idea of "hate speech". This is double speak that really means that "we liberals are all for censorship as long as we get to decide what is to be censored".
Once again, why is more freedom for individuals so repulsive to you, Freon?
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Post by freonbale on Sept 3, 2024 14:52:53 GMT
'Freedom' to Fobbit is using the power of the state to make people who make him uncomfortable as second-class citizens. Do you have any proof of this? A quote? *thor runs away from this question for the hundredth time gif* Ahh, standard far right 'defense'. If they didn't EXPLCITLY say something, it doesn't represent their views. Rabbit, you support Donald, right? Yet I don't think I can find an actual quote that says you do. So does that mean you do not? This argumentation strategy is silly on your part. Freon |
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Post by freonbale on Sept 3, 2024 14:57:38 GMT
The far right is notorious for using double-speak to talk about their goals, like, 'school choice', really meaning tax subsidized religious schooling, and 'free speech', really meaning boundaryless hate speech. The blueprint for Donald's presidency is Project 2025, and this site ( link) provides a nice way of digging through it, without having to deal with all the double-speak. Enjoy. Freon What we need is a Freon translator. He practices communication through projection.
No, we don't use "double-speak" when we talk about out goals, but far leftists like Freon do (we do laugh when he and his ilk claim to be moderate.
And while school choice can and should include religious schools, it's certainly not limited to those schools. Freon knows that the freedom to choose would end liberals' indoctrination regime in education. Funny how folks like Freon are all for "choice" when it comes to slaughtering unborn children, but whine and cry when that choice is where a child is educated.
Why is more freedom for individuals so repulsive to you, Freon?
Freon was pretty clear in telling us that he wants boundaries on free speech based on his idea of "hate speech". This is double speak that really means that "we liberals are all for censorship as long as we get to decide what is to be censored".
Once again, why is more freedom for individuals so repulsive to you, Freon?
Tax-funded religious schools cross the line between separation of Church and State. If you want religious school for your kids, pay for it separately. No one is banning your schools, we just don't want to pay for it for you. I sent my kids to religious school, and my parents sent me. Just pay for it yourself, like the rest of us. If you want the PUBLIC system to have liberalism in it, you will have to adjust the curriculum in your state, as many states have. Florida, for instance, is basically denying AP credit to their children, in the name of conservatism. I am FOR free speech, but I believe there are boundaries around it. You are saying you do not? Freon |
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Post by freonbale on Sept 3, 2024 14:59:44 GMT
The far right is notorious for using double-speak to talk about their goals, like, 'school choice', really meaning tax subsidized religious schooling, and 'free speech', really meaning boundaryless hate speech. The blueprint for Donald's presidency is Project 2025, and this site ( link) provides a nice way of digging through it, without having to deal with all the double-speak. Enjoy. Freon There is an assumed assumption that my money MUST be used to pay for ONLY govt run schools. Why don’t care if a parent would choose to use their allocated education funds where they choose If a parent feels their best option is a public school fine. A private non denomination school. Fine. A Catholic of Jewish school. Fine. In the VA hospital system some time ago some - not all -veterans anted to apply their funds to a hospital : care of their choice. Some VA hospitals are great. Some suck. Why is choice a bad thing. It is our money after all. Separation of Church and State is what our founders wanted. And I agree. Pay for your own religious schools, just like the rest of us. Freon |
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Post by Odysseus on Sept 3, 2024 15:09:35 GMT
There is an assumed assumption that my money MUST be used to pay for ONLY govt run schools. Why don’t care if a parent would choose to use their allocated education funds where they choose If a parent feels their best option is a public school fine. A private non denomination school. Fine. A Catholic of Jewish school. Fine. In the VA hospital system some time ago some - not all -veterans anted to apply their funds to a hospital : care of their choice. Some VA hospitals are great. Some suck. Why is choice a bad thing. It is our money after all. Separation of Church and State is what our founders wanted. And I agree. Pay for your own religious schools, just like the rest of us. Freon
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Post by rabbitreborn on Sept 3, 2024 15:28:07 GMT
Do you have any proof of this? A quote? *thor runs away from this question for the hundredth time gif* Ahh, standard far right 'defense'. If they didn't EXPLCITLY say something, it doesn't represent their views. Ahh, the standard left-wing progressive decoder ring where everything somebody on the right says can be interpreted as racist and authoritarian. Terrible logic. Abysmal, really. Guided by partisanship and emotions only. |
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Post by Monster Man on Sept 3, 2024 15:29:04 GMT
What we need is a Freon translator. He practices communication through projection.
No, we don't use "double-speak" when we talk about out goals, but far leftists like Freon do (we do laugh when he and his ilk claim to be moderate.
And while school choice can and should include religious schools, it's certainly not limited to those schools. Freon knows that the freedom to choose would end liberals' indoctrination regime in education. Funny how folks like Freon are all for "choice" when it comes to slaughtering unborn children, but whine and cry when that choice is where a child is educated.
Why is more freedom for individuals so repulsive to you, Freon?
Freon was pretty clear in telling us that he wants boundaries on free speech based on his idea of "hate speech". This is double speak that really means that "we liberals are all for censorship as long as we get to decide what is to be censored".
Once again, why is more freedom for individuals so repulsive to you, Freon?
Tax-funded religious schools cross the line between separation of Church and State. If you want religious school for your kids, pay for it separately. No one is banning your schools, we just don't want to pay for it for you. I sent my kids to religious school, and my parents sent me. Just pay for it yourself, like the rest of us. If you want the PUBLIC system to have liberalism in it, you will have to adjust the curriculum in your state, as many states have. Florida, for instance, is basically denying AP credit to their children, in the name of conservatism. I am FOR free speech, but I believe there are boundaries around it. You are saying you do not? Freon Tax funded... how? Not all School choice programs directly fund religious schools. Allowing people to keep more of their own money, save their own money, or use vouchers is not direct tax funding. You want to illegally and unconstitutionally discriminate based on religion. No, you are not for free speech, there are already boundaries around it. You want to criminalize speech you don't like. |
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Post by Monster Man on Sept 3, 2024 15:30:04 GMT
There is an assumed assumption that my money MUST be used to pay for ONLY govt run schools. Why don’t care if a parent would choose to use their allocated education funds where they choose If a parent feels their best option is a public school fine. A private non denomination school. Fine. A Catholic of Jewish school. Fine. In the VA hospital system some time ago some - not all -veterans anted to apply their funds to a hospital : care of their choice. Some VA hospitals are great. Some suck. Why is choice a bad thing. It is our money after all. Separation of Church and State is what our founders wanted. And I agree. Pay for your own religious schools, just like the rest of us. Freon No, you want to discriminate illegally and unconstitutionally. |
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Post by freonbale on Sept 3, 2024 15:49:59 GMT
Ahh, standard far right 'defense'. If they didn't EXPLCITLY say something, it doesn't represent their views. Ahh, the standard left-wing progressive decoder ring where everything somebody on the right says can be interpreted as racist and authoritarian. Terrible logic. Abysmal, really. Guided by partisanship and emotions only. Oh, and you are not partisan at all? Hypocrite. Freon |
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Post by freonbale on Sept 3, 2024 15:50:43 GMT
Separation of Church and State is what our founders wanted. And I agree. Pay for your own religious schools, just like the rest of us. Freon No, you want to discriminate illegally and unconstitutionally. You just need to win court cases for that to be true. So..., GO! Freon |
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Post by freonbale on Sept 3, 2024 15:52:06 GMT
Tax-funded religious schools cross the line between separation of Church and State. If you want religious school for your kids, pay for it separately. No one is banning your schools, we just don't want to pay for it for you. I sent my kids to religious school, and my parents sent me. Just pay for it yourself, like the rest of us. If you want the PUBLIC system to have liberalism in it, you will have to adjust the curriculum in your state, as many states have. Florida, for instance, is basically denying AP credit to their children, in the name of conservatism. I am FOR free speech, but I believe there are boundaries around it. You are saying you do not? Freon Tax funded... how? Not all School choice programs directly fund religious schools. Allowing people to keep more of their own money, save their own money, or use vouchers is not direct tax funding. You want to illegally and unconstitutionally discriminate based on religion. No, you are not for free speech, there are already boundaries around it. You want to criminalize speech you don't like. Show me anywhere in the world where outcomes of voucher systems are higher than non-voucher systems like ours. Then you will have an actual case. Freon |
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Post by rabbitreborn on Sept 3, 2024 15:54:31 GMT
Ahh, the standard left-wing progressive decoder ring where everything somebody on the right says can be interpreted as racist and authoritarian. Terrible logic. Abysmal, really. Guided by partisanship and emotions only. Oh, and you are not partisan at all? Hypocrite. Freon We all are. What you're omitting is the word "only". Because you're one of the most intellectually dishonest people on this forum. |
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Post by freonbale on Sept 3, 2024 15:55:32 GMT
Oh, and you are not partisan at all? Hypocrite. Freon We all are. What you're omitting is the word "only". Because you're one of the most intellectually dishonest people on this forum. If we all are, then the point is moot. Freon |
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Post by Monster Man on Sept 3, 2024 15:58:40 GMT
Tax funded... how? Not all School choice programs directly fund religious schools. Allowing people to keep more of their own money, save their own money, or use vouchers is not direct tax funding. You want to illegally and unconstitutionally discriminate based on religion. No, you are not for free speech, there are already boundaries around it. You want to criminalize speech you don't like. Show me anywhere in the world where outcomes of voucher systems are higher than non-voucher systems like ours. Then you will have an actual case. Freon Keep moving them goal posts... Freon: DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR You can't fund religious schools! DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR Me: Sure you can, this is how. Freon: DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR Well, outcomes are not better DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR |
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