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Post by jasmine on Jul 5, 2020 3:57:51 GMT
I am curious to hear from my Christian brothers and sisters about how we should be responding to government directives regarding quarantines, especially when it comes to church services.
I know that, as Christians, God wants us to submit to the proper government authorities. But what if government forbids churches from holding services?
Personally, I don’t see it as a problem...yet. I understand the reasons for shelter-in-place orders, and it is wonderful to see churches adapting to the situation by providing online services. Here, our church followed the local directives, and as the restrictions eased we just recently returned to holding in-person Sunday morning services (using a new layout to maximize social distancing).
I think governments on the mainland have been rather nazi-ish in some cases, but there are also pastors out there that I suspect have no problem endangering their flock.
Is there a tipping point here? If so, what do you think it might be?
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Post by bama beau on Jul 5, 2020 6:35:09 GMT
I am curious to hear from my Christian brothers and sisters about how we should be responding to government directives regarding quarantines, especially when it comes to church services. I know that, as Christians, God wants us to submit to the proper government authorities. But what if government forbids churches from holding services? Personally, I don’t see it as a problem...yet. I understand the reasons for shelter-in-place orders, and it is wonderful to see churches adapting to the situation by providing online services. Here, our church followed the local directives, and as the restrictions eased we just recently returned to holding in-person Sunday morning services (using a new layout to maximize social distancing). I think governments on the mainland have been rather nazi-ish in some cases, but there are also pastors out there that I suspect have no problem endangering their flock. Is there a tipping point here? If so, what do you think it might be? As much as I would wish to take you seriously, I cannot, because no serious person would label any US mainland state gov't response to the COVID pandemic as "nazi-ish", the closest response comparison being the Big Lie propaganda of the administration of the wannabe autocrat currently and illegitimately occupying the previously All White House. |
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Post by jasmine on Jul 5, 2020 6:48:12 GMT
I am curious to hear from my Christian brothers and sisters about how we should be responding to government directives regarding quarantines, especially when it comes to church services. I know that, as Christians, God wants us to submit to the proper government authorities. But what if government forbids churches from holding services? Personally, I don’t see it as a problem...yet. I understand the reasons for shelter-in-place orders, and it is wonderful to see churches adapting to the situation by providing online services. Here, our church followed the local directives, and as the restrictions eased we just recently returned to holding in-person Sunday morning services (using a new layout to maximize social distancing). I think governments on the mainland have been rather nazi-ish in some cases, but there are also pastors out there that I suspect have no problem endangering their flock. Is there a tipping point here? If so, what do you think it might be? As much as I would wish to take you seriously, I cannot, because no serious person would label any US mainland state gov't response to the COVID pandemic as "nazi-ish", the closest response comparison being the Big Lie propaganda of the administration of the wannabe autocrat currently and illegitimately occupying the previously All White House. That’s all well and good, but I’d like to keep this thread focused on how Christians should respond to government’s quarantine policies. The legitimacy of these government actions is discussed at length in the Politics forum. Thank you. |
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Post by bama beau on Jul 5, 2020 6:54:29 GMT
As much as I would wish to take you seriously, I cannot, because no serious person would label any US mainland state gov't response to the COVID pandemic as "nazi-ish", the closest response comparison being the Big Lie propaganda of the administration of the wannabe autocrat currently and illegitimately occupying the previously All White House. That’s all well and good, but I’d like to keep this thread focused on how Christians should respond to government’s quarantine policies. The legitimacy of these government actions is discussed at length in the Politics forum. Thank you. Yes, I know. I read your original post, and I responded to it, even quoting its author. Regardless, you're welcome. |
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Post by Mercy for All on Jul 6, 2020 0:31:51 GMT
I am curious to hear from my Christian brothers and sisters about how we should be responding to government directives regarding quarantines, especially when it comes to church services. I know that, as Christians, God wants us to submit to the proper government authorities. But what if government forbids churches from holding services? Personally, I don’t see it as a problem...yet. I understand the reasons for shelter-in-place orders, and it is wonderful to see churches adapting to the situation by providing online services. Here, our church followed the local directives, and as the restrictions eased we just recently returned to holding in-person Sunday morning services (using a new layout to maximize social distancing). I think governments on the mainland have been rather nazi-ish in some cases, but there are also pastors out there that I suspect have no problem endangering their flock. Is there a tipping point here? If so, what do you think it might be? I've seen a lot of pushback "behind the scenes," with pastors pushing for petitions to the government and advocating straight-up defiance. I find that frustrating. It seems (to me) to be based more on "what I want" and "what I am used to" than with biblical values. Oh, yeah, they point to the biblical value of "meeting together" (Hebrews 10:25 - one verse!), and impose onto the verse "in person." In one conversation, a pastor was suggesting that we have to choose between the value of "meeting together (in person)" and "respecting the government." Really? That's my quandary? There are hundreds of values and agendas from which to choose, and in my mind, that's not my biggest dilemma right now. The present situation provides all kinds of new challenges and opportunities. I'm looking for the opportunities. On the other side of it, there is a potential narrative that could cause intense blowback to churches in general, as more than a few have been epicentres of outbreaks (starting with that weird "church" in South Korea, then a large evangelical gathering in France). To me, every new "church outbreak" (like the one in Seattle with over 200 new cases in a single church) presents us with an uphill battle. |
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Post by william on Jul 8, 2020 21:27:53 GMT
A little girl in Florida died from covid-19 after attending a 100 person maskless crowded church kid's event.
The pastor said, not my problem, we don't do policing.
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Post by Mercy for All on Jul 8, 2020 22:15:45 GMT
A little girl in Florida died from covid-19 after attending a 100 person maskless crowded church kid's event. The pastor said, not my problem, we don't do policing. I guess he's not doing the funeral...? But seriously, did the pastor really say "Not my problem"? Was this a "little girl"? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 5:23:17 GMT
A little girl in Florida died from covid-19 after attending a 100 person maskless crowded church kid's event. The pastor said, not my problem, we don't do policing. I guess he's not doing the funeral...? But seriously, did the pastor really say "Not my problem"? Was this a "little girl"? Is she dead or just asleep? |
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Post by william on Jul 9, 2020 13:45:03 GMT
A little girl in Florida died from covid-19 after attending a 100 person maskless crowded church kid's event. The pastor said, not my problem, we don't do policing. I guess he's not doing the funeral...? But seriously, did the pastor really say "Not my problem"? Was this a "little girl"? Sorry, I had read this earlier and didn't have time to look up a link. I should have known better. I don't think the parents should be allowed to attend, but this is religion, and florida, a place where medical professional parents give their 17 year old cancer survivor who has a “complex medical history” trump cures and send their kid off to big church spreader events. But at least mom and dad set up a GoFundMe page. Who knows, maybe they can make some bucks off of this. As for the PoS clean hands pastor who ran the crowded maskless teen event, he said the church took precautions at the event to keep kids safe but said it was their decision not to social distance and that the church was not going to be “policing” the event. What precautions did pator moron make? - a maskless with no distancing 100 person teen party Looks to me that the PoS washed his hands and blamed the kids - it was the kids "their decision not to social distance and that the church was not going to be “policing” the event. www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/teen-who-died-of-covid-19-attended-large-florida-church-event-days-before-medical-examiner/2258756/ |
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Post by Mercy for All on Jul 9, 2020 15:25:52 GMT
As for the PoS clean hands pastor who ran the crowded maskless teen event, he said the church took precautions at the event to keep kids safe but said it was their decision not to social distance and that the church was not going to be “policing” the event. What precautions did pator moron make? - a maskless with no distancing 100 person teen party Looks to me that the PoS washed his hands and blamed the kids - it was the kids "their decision not to social distance and that the church was not going to be “policing” the event. www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/teen-who-died-of-covid-19-attended-large-florida-church-event-days-before-medical-examiner/2258756/His statement may have been influenced by his insurance coverer. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 17:18:21 GMT
As for the PoS clean hands pastor who ran the crowded maskless teen event, he said the church took precautions at the event to keep kids safe but said it was their decision not to social distance and that the church was not going to be “policing” the event. What precautions did pator moron make? - a maskless with no distancing 100 person teen party Looks to me that the PoS washed his hands and blamed the kids - it was the kids "their decision not to social distance and that the church was not going to be “policing” the event. www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/teen-who-died-of-covid-19-attended-large-florida-church-event-days-before-medical-examiner/2258756/His statement may have been influenced by his insurance coverer. But you have to admit it's rather cold-hearted (to say the very least) for a "pastor". Isn't christianity supposed to be the compassionate religion? |
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Post by Mercy for All on Jul 9, 2020 18:01:01 GMT
But you have to admit it's rather cold-hearted (to say the very least) for a "pastor". Isn't christianity supposed to be the compassionate religion? The only thing directly quoted is the word "policing." I haven't come across a full statement in context. Have you? |
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Post by Odysseus on Jul 10, 2020 10:53:43 GMT
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Post by william on Jul 10, 2020 15:53:11 GMT
But you have to admit it's rather cold-hearted (to say the very least) for a "pastor". Isn't christianity supposed to be the compassionate religion? The only thing directly quoted is the word "policing." I haven't come across a full statement in context. Have you? Are you saying that the author invented or lied when he summarized the interview with the couldn't care less about kids minister? This seems pretty damning "he said" (meaning the pastor)"the church took precautions at the event to keep kids safe but said it was their decision not to social distance and that the church was not going to be “policing” the event. Several things strike me: He claims that the church took precautions. I don't follow how having a crowded event with a hundred maskless teens is deemed safe without "policing"/chaperoneing - unless they are depending on sky fairies to save the righteous, or he is, as I suspect, just another self-righteous Bible thumper Then the dick goes on to say that the church doesn't care enough to enforce/police the gubberment anti-liberty laws. But then there are always some who demand more before they can accept what is in front of their face. And finally, I would be curious to know how much "policing" Mr. pastor approves of in other matters - say, kissing or heavy petting in open view of policing chaperones, or maybe he's seriously honest and would stand by while the kids do the nasty on the dance floor. |
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Post by Mercy for All on Jul 10, 2020 16:18:22 GMT
Are you saying that the author invented or lied when he summarized the interview with the couldn't care less about kids minister? This seems pretty damning "he said" (meaning the pastor)"the church took precautions at the event to keep kids safe but said it was their decision not to social distance and that the church was not going to be “policing” the event. Several things strike me: He claims that the church took precautions. I don't follow how having a crowded event with a hundred maskless teens is deemed safe without "policing"/chaperoneing - unless they are depending on sky fairies to save the righteous, or he is, as I suspect, just another self-righteous Bible thumper Then the dick goes on to say that the church doesn't care enough to enforce/police the gubberment anti-liberty laws. But then there are always some who demand more before they can accept what is in front of their face. And finally, I would be curious to know how much "policing" Mr. pastor approves of in other matters - say, kissing or heavy petting in open view of policing chaperones, or maybe he's seriously honest and would stand by while the kids do the nasty on the dance floor. I've watched and read enough news to be skeptical about reports that don't directly quote the person in question, whether it's this person, Obama, or Trump. How about you? You seem to be generating a lot of conclusions based on minimal information... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 16:41:05 GMT
Are you saying that the author invented or lied when he summarized the interview with the couldn't care less about kids minister? This seems pretty damning "he said" (meaning the pastor)"the church took precautions at the event to keep kids safe but said it was their decision not to social distance and that the church was not going to be “policing” the event. Several things strike me: He claims that the church took precautions. I don't follow how having a crowded event with a hundred maskless teens is deemed safe without "policing"/chaperoneing - unless they are depending on sky fairies to save the righteous, or he is, as I suspect, just another self-righteous Bible thumper Then the dick goes on to say that the church doesn't care enough to enforce/police the gubberment anti-liberty laws. But then there are always some who demand more before they can accept what is in front of their face. And finally, I would be curious to know how much "policing" Mr. pastor approves of in other matters - say, kissing or heavy petting in open view of policing chaperones, or maybe he's seriously honest and would stand by while the kids do the nasty on the dance floor. I've watched and read enough news to be skeptical about reports that don't directly quote the person in question, whether it's this person, Obama, or Trump. How about you? You seem to be generating a lot of conclusions based on minimal information... Isn't that how religion works? |
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Post by Mercy for All on Jul 10, 2020 16:51:40 GMT
Isn't that how religion works? You might think so. But no. |
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Post by william on Jul 10, 2020 17:17:29 GMT
Are you saying that the author invented or lied when he summarized the interview with the couldn't care less about kids minister? This seems pretty damning "he said" (meaning the pastor)"the church took precautions at the event to keep kids safe but said it was their decision not to social distance and that the church was not going to be “policing” the event. Several things strike me: He claims that the church took precautions. I don't follow how having a crowded event with a hundred maskless teens is deemed safe without "policing"/chaperoneing - unless they are depending on sky fairies to save the righteous, or he is, as I suspect, just another self-righteous Bible thumper Then the dick goes on to say that the church doesn't care enough to enforce/police the gubberment anti-liberty laws. But then there are always some who demand more before they can accept what is in front of their face. And finally, I would be curious to know how much "policing" Mr. pastor approves of in other matters - say, kissing or heavy petting in open view of policing chaperones, or maybe he's seriously honest and would stand by while the kids do the nasty on the dance floor. I've watched and read enough news to be skeptical about reports that don't directly quote the person in question, whether it's this person, Obama, or Trump. How about you? You seem to be generating a lot of conclusions based on minimal information... It was plainly spoken. Is the minister claiming he said something different. Just the fact that these idiots decided to have a crowded maskless event with 100 teens should have been an indicator to you to make an informeddecision, unless you just always take sides against anyone who writes a negative story about the church. |
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Post by william on Jul 10, 2020 17:22:19 GMT
Isn't that how religion works? You might think so. But no. So, you were first hand with Moses carving the tsbles and lighting the bush, or do you just believe lld sheep-hearder tales? I believe the reporter because there is so much evidence throughout the story. You believe the sheep-hearder tale for the same reason you don't believe the article -because you need to. |
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Post by Mercy for All on Jul 10, 2020 17:43:53 GMT
It was plainly spoken. Is the minister claiming he said something different. How do you know "it was plainly spoken"? There is only one word that was directly quoted. Is it because another news outlet decided to tell the other side of the story? As in the time when Rodney Howard Brown was completely misrepresented in mainstream media for having live services when lockdowns were starting and the picture accompanying the article was completely misrepresentative? Yeah, you tend not to find those "other sides of the story." It took a week for Christianity Today to correct the mainstream media story, by which point very few were paying attention. I agree the event was stupid. That doesn't justify potentially misrepresenting an individual involved. Does it? |
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