I just realized today is the first day of Passover

No, no, you said Jesus AS Lord, not Jesus IS Lord. Those two are very different. Your own analogy was Biden AS president, meaning after no more than 8 years, someone else will do the job. Using AS changes the meaning completely, copmared to IS, yet AS is what Christianity uses. It's a weird way of putting it.

Your second point still adopts the premise that you get to decide what a good Christian is. And to you, placing something 'above Jesus' is that boundary. But not to them. Why are you right, and they are wrong? You are using a theological opinion as the authoritative metric, and that tautology is illogical. It is not authoritative.

Freon

I do not recognize either person 'as Lord'. They were both just people, not G-d. But what is interesting, is that because both use AS, it is implied that there could be others, so it makes sense that AS is used in both cases.

Let's put this a different way. Let's assume the Messiah returns as a woman. Will you call her Jesus? Or will she be 'Marjorie As G-d?' That would fit, given the word AS. It's whoever happens to be the human G-d is working through at the moment.

As to the other topic, THEY would consider their position completely defensible, and find YOUR position indefensible. The ONLY way you will know who was right, is when you both die, and are judged by G-d. Until then, it's just your perspective against theirs. I have a HUGE problem with people who believe that their way, and ONLY their way, is the 'right' way. THAT, is indefensible. THAT, is arrogant. And worse, THAT, is what causes atrocities. If you cannot see the danger in KNOWING your own way is the right way, then you enable bad behaviors in the name of your religion. This is not an accusation of Christianity, in particular. All people who view their religion in this way, whether Jewish, Christian, Muslim, or whatever, are dangerous.

Freon

What's the difference between Lord and LORD? And where do these terms get defined.

I'm seriously confused here.

You have people AS Lord, except it's not LORD, yet Jesus IS G-d. THAT MAKES NO SENSE. Is G-d not LORD? Why is your religion so complicated?

The problem with your last analogy is that we are not comparing White Supremacists to Christians. We're comparing CHRISTIANS to Christians. You both believe you are devout Christians, and you BOTH believe that the other is not what a devout Christian should be/is. Therefore, you BOTH see yourselves as what DEFINES a Christian, and therefore, you BOTH are frickin' dangerous. Because neither of you are tolerant to other people's opinions on the issue.

How can you not see this obvious bias?

Freon

I still don't get the capital vs lowercase thing. We don't have a spelling in Hebrew for G-d's name. It's literally and intentionally unpronounceable. We mere humans are not capable of saying it. We instead say Adonai, referencing the name, but not saying it directly. 'Yahweh' is a translation attempt to take that unpronounceable name, and make it pronounceable. We don't use 'Yahweh' at all.

Hashem (which translates to 'the name') is much like Adonai, a reference to something we cannot pronounce. The difference between the two, is that Adonai is used in actual prayers, taken directly from the Torah, so it is considered by some (read, Orthodox) as too holy a word to use when talking. For talking about G-d, they/we use Hashem.

Also, there is no capital vs lower case Adonai. I've read a LOT of tsiddurim (Jewish prayer books), I have a small collection of them, and I have never seen the distinction between the two. It is always capitalized, however.

I did not know that Christians see G-d as their master, and they, slaves. That's kinda' harsh.

Not going to argue the far right thing with you any more. You won't, or can't, see that you are identical to them. That is worrisome.

Freon

'Master' implies slave. It's being a slave I find harsh. Odd that you consider being a slave as not harsh.

No?

Freon

I know what a fan you are of dictionary definitions, so I looked up several, from different sources, and unanimously, they define Master (in some way or another) as one having authority or control over another.

So 'servant' is the nice way of putting that, and 'slave' is the other way.

It's very different in Judaism. G-d is not my master. I neither serve, nor am controlled by G-d. 'I' am my master. G-d is my partner and let's call it, caretaker of the universe, and I strive to be as G-d WANTS me to be, but in the end, I was granted free-will, so that I could make the choice, one way or another. The goal for me is not an eternity of suffering or joy, but a LIFE of suffering or joy. G-d wants me to be godly here and now, and when I stray from that, G-d is there to help me get back on track. G-d is a supporter, not a master. Obedience is for lower animals, like dogs.

Freon

I hear that you choose to interpret 'servant' in the best possible way, but what I hear is that you give up the responsibility and effort of making your own decisions. G-d will make those decisions for you, all you have to do is follow them.

And unlike a servant, who might get fired, you are going to go to hell. Forever. It's really not the same at all.

And you are mistaken about the Passover story. We are not spared from continued Egyptian persecution so we can serve G-d. That's not the deal. We are the chosen people. Chosen to REPRESENT all of humanity, and if we follow all of G-d's commandments, then when the messiah comes, ALL of humanity will benefit. If we don't, then we're all screwed. Remember that obedience has implied within it, a consequence. But Jews do not believe in Hell. There is no devil. Our consequence is the knowledge that we let the rest of humanity down. That we let G-d down. That we let ourselves down. But even then, G-d will still help us to make things right. It is never too late to choose to do the right thing.

I am seriously baffled that people would choose to adopt the idea that if they screw up in life, they are doomed until the end of time itself. Our lives on Earth are a tiny piece of a split second of time, whereas forever is, well, forever. What a disproportionate punishment for what amounts to a moment of poor decision-making.

Freon

When I said I hear that 'you' choose, what I mean are Christians. This is not a topic about you or I, but about what our respective Religion's generally believe.

So your response that I'm not understanding you in particular is accurate. I have no idea what you personally believe. But as we are not talking about you personally, I do not need to know that for this conversation to continue.

And when you say that the, 'text is really explicit', you are completely coming from a Christian lens. We don't follow the Torah, explicitly. The Torah, by itself, is NOT the Jewish authoritative religious text. The Tanahk is. I don't have a Torah in my house, I have a Tanakh. Jews see the Torah as an ancient text, written by ancient people, to solve ancient problems. We are thousands of years more advanced than they are, and so we have a standard (but evolving) interpretation of the Torah by our most respected scholars. If you ONLY read the Torah, you are not going to understand Judaism at all.

I've been talking to Christians about their religion for 50 years, Mercy. You are just another data point to me. You seem to think you are a special version of Christian, unique in how you view your religion, but you're just another drop in the bucket of those who see themselves as authentic as you do. And we keep running into this problem when we talk. You communicate as if I am supposed to see your opinion as THE opinion, when it's just yet ANOTHER opinion. You are not Christianity. You just happen to be a Christian. And most Christians I know, believe that if you don't follow G-d's laws, you go to hell. If you personally choose not to, great, but not relevant to our conversation about the Religions themselves.

The difference is that when I speak for Judaism, I challenge you to find a Jew who does NOT subscribe to what I'm saying. Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, will pretty much all agree with my descriptions of Jewish tradition and law. 

Freon

Not how I interpret at all, really. This is how all Jews are taught.

Only very casually do I personally interpret Torah, and very rarely. Not really my interest. I'm more of a human condition interpreter.

But now I understand that what you were telling me is NOT reflective of Christianity, but only your interpretation of it. That's interesting, but too bad. I thought I could learn something about your religion, but in the end, it's so fragmented, that may be nigh impossible.

Do you actually know anything about Christianity in general, or is your knowledge purely personal?

Freon