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Post by limey² on Apr 3, 2024 15:33:47 GMT
3 x CT scans, 2 x MRI so far. I wonder what the bill would be if I had been in Ohio? Depends on your insurance. Does the National Health Care system you have there stop working for you when you leave the country? Would your Travel Insurance not have covered it? If it was a work sponsored engagement, would they have not covered it? NHS has reciprocal agreements with lots of countries which basically mean we don't bother cross-billing as it all more or less evens out & isn't worth the admin cost of chasing payment. Obviously that doesn't apply in for-profit countries. The US contract I nearly took was as a consultant, so entirely down to me to insure.... could have ended well or badly!
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Post by limey² on Apr 3, 2024 15:38:13 GMT
3 x CT scans, 2 x MRI so far. I wonder what the bill would be if I had been in Ohio? Any results from them there scans? Bleed not clot; bleeding stopped; initialfading of haematoma progressing well; all vital signs excellent; good recovery likely. All quite positive really.
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Post by Odysseus on Apr 3, 2024 15:43:39 GMT
Any results from them there scans? Bleed not clot; bleeding stopped; initialfading of haematoma progressing well; all vital signs excellent; good recovery likely. All quite positive really.
Sounds like good news!
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Post by DaveJavu on Apr 3, 2024 15:51:28 GMT
Indeed! That's why that giant rock fell from the sky sixty five million years ago killing all the dinosaurs, because nobody was praying... If only they had you back then... “If God real, why dinosaurs die? Got’em! Checkmate!” That's not it. Then again, it wouldn't be you, if it didn't miss the point. If you want to pray then why do you need to advertise it? Would it be less effective if we didn't know about it, or are you telling Limey that "he owes you one?". Either way, there's something wrong with it, something trumpesque.
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Post by Mercy for All on Apr 3, 2024 15:55:27 GMT
“If God real, why dinosaurs die? Got’em! Checkmate!” That's not it. Then again, it wouldn't be you, if it didn't miss the point. If you want to pray then why do you need to advertise it? Would it be less effective if we didn't know about it, or are you telling Limey that "he owes you one?". Either way, there's something wrong with it, something trumpesque. Many people find it encouraging to hear that someone is praying for them, even if they don't pray themselves. It's not a Machiavellian move to tell someone you're praying for them.
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Post by DaveJavu on Apr 3, 2024 15:55:50 GMT
Any results from them there scans? Bleed not clot; bleeding stopped; initialfading of haematoma progressing well; all vital signs excellent; good recovery likely. All quite positive really. I knew we couldn't be rid of you do easily. Take care.
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Post by DaveJavu on Apr 3, 2024 16:01:42 GMT
That's not it. Then again, it wouldn't be you, if it didn't miss the point. If you want to pray then why do you need to advertise it? Would it be less effective if we didn't know about it, or are you telling Limey that "he owes you one?". Either way, there's something wrong with it, something trumpesque. Many people find it encouraging to hear that someone is praying for them, even if they don't pray themselves. It's not a Machiavellian move to tell someone you're praying for them. That depends on the context, and the person. People who know me ( and note for the trolls: people who love me) never tell me that they're praying for me, even when I know they do. They know they wouldn't like my response.
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Post by limey² on Apr 3, 2024 16:18:54 GMT
That's not it. Then again, it wouldn't be you, if it didn't miss the point. If you want to pray then why do you need to advertise it? Would it be less effective if we didn't know about it, or are you telling Limey that "he owes you one?". Either way, there's something wrong with it, something trumpesque. Many people find it encouraging to hear that someone is praying for them, even if they don't pray themselves. It's not a Machiavellian move to tell someone you're praying for them. I don't mind being prayed for. I'd prefer a box of chocolate marzipan, but it's nice to be thought of.
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Post by DaveJavu on Apr 3, 2024 16:21:16 GMT
Many people find it encouraging to hear that someone is praying for them, even if they don't pray themselves. It's not a Machiavellian move to tell someone you're praying for them. I don't mind being prayed for. I'd prefer a box of chocolate marzipan, but it's nice to be thought of. I prefer cash.
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Post by atreyu on Apr 3, 2024 16:24:01 GMT
That's not it. Then again, it wouldn't be you, if it didn't miss the point. If you want to pray then why do you need to advertise it? Would it be less effective if we didn't know about it, or are you telling Limey that "he owes you one?". Either way, there's something wrong with it, something trumpesque. Many people find it encouraging to hear that someone is praying for them, even if they don't pray themselves. It's not a Machiavellian move to tell someone you're praying for them.
It does hurt their likely outcomes though. If people know they're being prayed for equivalent problems the outcomes are worse for people that know vs people that do not.
Prayer hurts.
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Post by Monster Man on Apr 3, 2024 16:33:19 GMT
Many people find it encouraging to hear that someone is praying for them, even if they don't pray themselves. It's not a Machiavellian move to tell someone you're praying for them.
It does hurt their likely outcomes though. If people know they're being prayed for equivalent problems the outcomes are worse for people that know vs people that do not.
Prayer hurts.
This is some next level bigotry now.
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Post by Greg55_99 on Apr 3, 2024 16:59:38 GMT
3 x CT scans, 2 x MRI so far. I wonder what the bill would be if I had been in Ohio? Glad your brain functions are OK. You remember that 20 bucks you owe me? Greg
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Post by petep on Apr 3, 2024 17:00:51 GMT
It does hurt their likely outcomes though. If people know they're being prayed for equivalent problems the outcomes are worse for people that know vs people that do not.
Prayer hurts.
This is some next level bigotry now. Kinda cuts against the whole science argument. Outcomes should be irrelevant of prayer or no prayer.
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Post by Odysseus on Apr 3, 2024 18:32:12 GMT
3 x CT scans, 2 x MRI so far. I wonder what the bill would be if I had been in Ohio? Glad your brain functions are OK. You remember that 20 bucks you owe me? Greg
Why does Limey owe you $20?
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Post by limey² on Apr 3, 2024 18:35:00 GMT
3 x CT scans, 2 x MRI so far. I wonder what the bill would be if I had been in Ohio? Glad your brain functions are OK. You remember that 20 bucks you owe me? Greg No.
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Post by limey² on Apr 3, 2024 18:39:29 GMT
This is some next level bigotry now. Kinda cuts against the whole science argument. Outcomes should be irrelevant of prayer or no prayer. The study was explored in Dawkins's "God Delusion". The negative results were modest but measurable. Iirc the hypotheses was that, amongst the faithful, individuals who were, as part of the study, told they were being prayed for thought "shit! This must be serious!" and the anxiety affected outcome. Plausible.
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Post by Mercy for All on Apr 3, 2024 18:43:10 GMT
Many people find it encouraging to hear that someone is praying for them, even if they don't pray themselves. It's not a Machiavellian move to tell someone you're praying for them.
It does hurt their likely outcomes though. If people know they're being prayed for equivalent problems the outcomes are worse for people that know vs people that do not.
Prayer hurts.
That's an...interesting perspective. Do you have data to support it? Whatever the perspective on the mechanism or efficacy of prayer, it seems you're backwards on this. Only one study showed "slightly worse effects" out of the studies presented. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2802370/
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Post by Greg55_99 on Apr 3, 2024 19:02:49 GMT
Glad your brain functions are OK. You remember that 20 bucks you owe me? Greg No. Go back and get another scan then. It'll come to you. Greg
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Post by MojoJojo on Apr 3, 2024 19:05:32 GMT
Many people find it encouraging to hear that someone is praying for them, even if they don't pray themselves. It's not a Machiavellian move to tell someone you're praying for them. It does hurt their likely outcomes though. If people know they're being prayed for equivalent problems the outcomes are worse for people that know vs people that do not. Prayer hurts. The reverse placebo effect?
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