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Post by atreyu on Dec 27, 2023 1:19:54 GMT
The vaccines... nah... that's uniquely repete.
Yes. We all recall what the govt and media in concert labeled a conspiracy. That turned out to be true.
Single celled amoebas wearing Trump hats probably even buy that.
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Post by petep on Dec 27, 2023 1:24:18 GMT
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Post by atreyu on Dec 27, 2023 1:41:16 GMT
Huh looks true if I search for "is petep a dumbass?"
Weird how that works.
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Post by william on Dec 27, 2023 8:13:27 GMT
It's designed to make the "establishment" or "State" appear evil, reinforcing loss of faith in government. If half the country believes the state is evil, while the other half distrusts it, then the autocrats and their preferred system of governance, the strong man approach, becomes more appealing. The Russian influence campaign over the past decade has worked way better than trying to hack in to the election system itself. Just undermine faith in our State institutions via constant misinformation and lies. Has the same effect without the cloak and dagger shenanigans. Interesting take. I would think - personal opinion - if you lose trust in govt the last thing one would want is larger more controlling govt. It’s akin to believing a wasteful inefficient govt will become better if only it was larger and controlled more things. www.google.com/search?q=bodens+border+policies+have+fueled+human+trafficking&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari&dlnr=1&sei=ndyKZZO5CPSpptQP15yHeAaka reaganonimics
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Post by MojoJojo on Dec 27, 2023 12:35:55 GMT
The "left" and "right" have been historically skeptical of government, as we should be. The tribalism of the last few decades, coupled with social media and the information revolution, has lead both sides to unhealthy levels of cynicism as opposed to skepticism. I don’t discount your variables, as social media has increased the political tension, but isn’t it also possible that the government itself has increased its corruption and disregard for the will of the people that has led to the increased skepticism and cynicism? By the government, do you mean in its entirety? I can certainly agree there are some bad apples, moles, and outright criminals employed by the federal government, as there are with any large employer. Do some top level bureaucrats get away with lying to Congress, undermining the Executive and dodging the Judiciary due to their protected status? No doubt. Is the entire enterprise increasing its level of corruption and disregard for the will of the people? I don't see it but assuming its validity, how the hell is either political party, or their leadership, gonna change it? Trump just wants loyalty to himself and Biden seems to be fine with the status quo.
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Post by sokpupet on Dec 27, 2023 14:20:47 GMT
The mere fact that Qanon is centered around DJT fighting (secretly) pedophilia is laughable. File this under every accusation an admission. Trump is a serial cheater from his disdain of family values to who and what age he would involve himself with for his self gratification.
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Post by rabbitreborn on Dec 28, 2023 13:48:07 GMT
I don’t discount your variables, as social media has increased the political tension, but isn’t it also possible that the government itself has increased its corruption and disregard for the will of the people that has led to the increased skepticism and cynicism? By the government, do you mean in its entirety? I can certainly agree there are some bad apples, moles, and outright criminals employed by the federal government, as there are with any large employer. Do some top level bureaucrats get away with lying to Congress, undermining the Executive and dodging the Judiciary due to their protected status? No doubt. Is the entire enterprise increasing its level of corruption and disregard for the will of the people? I don't see it but assuming its validity, how the hell is either political party, or their leadership, gonna change it? Trump just wants loyalty to himself and Biden seems to be fine with the status quo. I don't disagree with Trump's motivations, but I don't think it's irrational to think that the corruption is increasing within the government. Why wouldn't it? Who has been held accountable? Generally in any system, if bad behavior is not punished (and is often rewarded), the behavior will increase. Why wouldn't the CIA or other elements of the Intelligence Community push the envelope further? They've gotten what they want in terms of forever wars, lying to politicians when it suits them, becoming a more and more significant and explicit part of the corporate media, etc. Why would they pull back? There hasn't been any punishment minus some low-level underling who took the hit after the lies on the Carter Page FISA warrant. www.cnn.com/2020/01/23/politics/fisa-carter-page-warrants/index.html
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Post by sokpupet on Dec 28, 2023 14:22:50 GMT
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Post by thor on Dec 29, 2023 1:06:51 GMT
Every accusation is a confession....
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Post by MojoJojo on Dec 29, 2023 14:36:41 GMT
By the government, do you mean in its entirety? I can certainly agree there are some bad apples, moles, and outright criminals employed by the federal government, as there are with any large employer. Do some top level bureaucrats get away with lying to Congress, undermining the Executive and dodging the Judiciary due to their protected status? No doubt. Is the entire enterprise increasing its level of corruption and disregard for the will of the people? I don't see it but assuming its validity, how the hell is either political party, or their leadership, gonna change it? Trump just wants loyalty to himself and Biden seems to be fine with the status quo. I don't disagree with Trump's motivations, but I don't think it's irrational to think that the corruption is increasing within the government. Why wouldn't it? Who has been held accountable? Generally in any system, if bad behavior is not punished (and is often rewarded), the behavior will increase. Why wouldn't the CIA or other elements of the Intelligence Community push the envelope further? They've gotten what they want in terms of forever wars, lying to politicians when it suits them, becoming a more and more significant and explicit part of the corporate media, etc. Why would they pull back? There hasn't been any punishment minus some low-level underling who took the hit after the lies on the Carter Page FISA warrant. www.cnn.com/2020/01/23/politics/fisa-carter-page-warrants/index.htmlGood post and thanks for the explanation. Hard to find fault with anything you've said.
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Post by bama beau on Dec 30, 2023 6:30:04 GMT
I don't disagree with Trump's motivations, but I don't think it's irrational to think that the corruption is increasing within the government. Why wouldn't it? Who has been held accountable? Generally in any system, if bad behavior is not punished (and is often rewarded), the behavior will increase. Why wouldn't the CIA or other elements of the Intelligence Community push the envelope further? They've gotten what they want in terms of forever wars, lying to politicians when it suits them, becoming a more and more significant and explicit part of the corporate media, etc. Why would they pull back? There hasn't been any punishment minus some low-level underling who took the hit after the lies on the Carter Page FISA warrant. www.cnn.com/2020/01/23/politics/fisa-carter-page-warrants/index.htmlGood post and thanks for the explanation. Hard to find fault with anything you've said.Going forward, would the above post be verboten?
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Post by MojoJojo on Dec 30, 2023 17:41:13 GMT
Good post and thanks for the explanation. Hard to find fault with anything you've said.Going forward, would the above post be verboten? As a user, I'm ok with someone using bold, strikeout, etc.., to highlight a point they're trying to make. Changing the words however...
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