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Post by johnnybgood on Dec 5, 2023 3:58:33 GMT
Im not green party, and don't preach global warming, but we are destroying this planet and other life. That should come before religion. A lot of things should. Thats why democrats tend to hook line me. I hate segregation, but it doesn't really hurt me personally. I don't agree with democrats promoting that, but they tend to have more I agree with. Im a hair line to the left, but pretty much centrist. We're suppose to run the government, not the politicians. Some immigrants run from countries who's government is in full control. Where do these 'politicians' come from, Johnny? Us? I assume thats what you're getting at?
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Post by RWB on Dec 5, 2023 4:15:41 GMT
Bull shit. Without American support, and that of the Brits, you would be a third world "Banana Republic".
Even now your kind cannot survive without aid from the US.
I don't believe Freon is an Israeli citizen. And who are 'his kind'? the low IQ feeble minded village idiot oldcrapper is a muslim Palestinian terrorist supporting Anti Semite who hates Israel and Jews
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Post by thor on Dec 5, 2023 4:47:30 GMT
I don't believe Freon is an Israeli citizen. And who are 'his kind'? the low IQ feeble minded village idiot oldcrapper is a muslim Palestinian terrorist supporting Anti Semite who hates Israel and Jews You do know that Muslims worship the same God you do, right, Cuck?
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Post by thor on Dec 5, 2023 4:48:16 GMT
Where do these 'politicians' come from, Johnny? Us? I assume thats what you're getting at? Do they fall out of the sky?
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Post by RWB on Dec 5, 2023 12:20:47 GMT
the low IQ feeble minded village idiot oldcrapper is a muslim Palestinian terrorist supporting Anti Semite who hates Israel and Jews You do know that Muslims worship the same God you do, right, Cuck? wrong asshole my God doesn't offer his followers 72 Virgin goats or what ever for killing innocent people that would be the God of Islam Satan
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Post by thor on Dec 5, 2023 16:13:18 GMT
You do know that Muslims worship the same God you do, right, Cuck? wrong asshole my God doesn't offer his followers 72 Virgin goats or what ever for killing innocent people that would be the God of Islam Satan Muslims worship the god of Abraham, as do you, you dumb fuck.
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Post by RWB on Dec 5, 2023 18:30:26 GMT
wrong asshole my God doesn't offer his followers 72 Virgin goats or what ever for killing innocent people that would be the God of Islam Satan Muslims worship the god of Abraham, as do you, you dumb fuck. NO Brain damaged retard muslims only think they worship the same God Mohammed a false prophet was tricked by Satan into believing he was God.
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Post by oldtrapper on Dec 5, 2023 19:09:33 GMT
Muslims worship the god of Abraham, as do you, you dumb fuck. NO Brain damaged retard muslims only think they worship the same God Mohammed a false prophet was tricked by Satan into believing he was God. You wish that were true. As is usual for you, you just can't prove it is true.
On the other hand your own words convict you of being a lying Satanist.
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Post by thor on Dec 5, 2023 19:19:47 GMT
Muslims worship the god of Abraham, as do you, you dumb fuck. NO Brain damaged retard muslims only think they worship the same God Mohammed a false prophet was tricked by Satan into believing he was God.
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Post by Maestro on Dec 5, 2023 21:09:09 GMT
the low IQ feeble minded village idiot oldcrapper is a muslim Palestinian terrorist supporting Anti Semite who hates Israel and Jews You do know that Muslims worship the same God you do, right, Cuck? It's not that simple. Christians consider worship of Jesus to be the worship of God. Because of that, I think a significant number of Muslims are going to disagree with you that they and we worship "the same god." They believe, after all, that we worship a non-divine human. Are you also going insult them and tell them they are wrong, that you understand Islam better than they? That Jesus of Nazareth and Allah are one and the same? We all acknowledge that the three Abrahamic religions have some common roots, but it that's not the same thing as saying we worship the same God. It's more nuanced than the black and white situation that you are describing.
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Post by Maestro on Dec 5, 2023 21:14:13 GMT
Muslims worship the god of Abraham, as do you, you dumb fuck. NO Brain damaged retard muslims only think they worship the same God Mohammed a false prophet was tricked by Satan into believing he was God. First, as I pointed out to Thor, I believe many Muslims will object to the notion that Christ and Allah are one and on that basis, reject his assertion. Second, Jesus often spoke kindly to and of non-Jews. He certainly didn't call Greeks, Romans and Samaritans "brain damaged" and "retarded." You would do better to follow his example. It is his example after all that encouraged bringing Christianity to our pagan ancestors. And where would we be now had that not happened?
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Post by johnnybgood on Dec 5, 2023 21:40:38 GMT
You do know that Muslims worship the same God you do, right, Cuck? It's not that simple. Christians consider worship of Jesus to be the worship of God. Because of that, I think a significant number of Muslims are going to disagree with you that they and we worship "the same god." They believe, after all, that we worship a non-divine human. Are you also going insult them and tell them they are wrong, that you understand Islam better than they? That Jesus of Nazareth and Allah are one and the same? We all acknowledge that the three Abrahamic religions have some common roots, but it that's not the same thing as saying we worship the same God. It's more nuanced than the black and white situation that you are describing. Plus they act like babies and blow up people if they show their "Allah" character on TV. Cartoons can say anything and show anything about any religion in the world except for one. Because they're a bunch of psyco babies. Proof with what Im saying, give their religion a bad name and stereotype. Humans take religion to serious sometimes. Its time we grow up. Christmas has nothing to due with Jesus Christ to me. Its about my family. We were wrong about what those dots in sky are. Hello! Maybe wrong about a few other things? Maybe dances don't bring rain?
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Post by thor on Dec 5, 2023 21:42:00 GMT
You do know that Muslims worship the same God you do, right, Cuck? It's not that simple. Christians consider worship of Jesus to be the worship of God. Because of that, I think a significant number of Muslims are going to disagree with you that they and we worship "the same god." They believe, after all, that we worship a non-divine human. Are you also going insult them and tell them they are wrong, that you understand Islam better than they? That Jesus of Nazareth and Allah are one and the same? We all acknowledge that the three Abrahamic religions have some common roots, but it that's not the same thing as saying we worship the same God. It's more nuanced than the black and white situation that you are describing. Just stop. They not only have common roots, they have the same patriarch. And a great many of the same stories. The God of all three is the very same entity, whether you like it or not. At best, you have doctrinal differences, and that's it.
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Post by Maestro on Dec 5, 2023 22:05:53 GMT
It's not that simple. Christians consider worship of Jesus to be the worship of God. Because of that, I think a significant number of Muslims are going to disagree with you that they and we worship "the same god." They believe, after all, that we worship a non-divine human. Are you also going insult them and tell them they are wrong, that you understand Islam better than they? That Jesus of Nazareth and Allah are one and the same? We all acknowledge that the three Abrahamic religions have some common roots, but it that's not the same thing as saying we worship the same God. It's more nuanced than the black and white situation that you are describing. Just stop. They not only have common roots, they have the same patriarch. And a great many of the same stories. The God of all three is the very same entity, whether you like it or not. At best, you have doctrinal differences, and that's it. I will say what I wish when I wish, Thor. And I will stop when I wish, without considering input from others on this board. You are wrong. The situation is more complicated than you describe. The answer to the question "Do the three Abrahamic religions worship the same God?" is both "yes" and "no" depending on what you mean. Muslims who say, "No, Christians worship Jesus and we reject that he is God," are not being irrational. We do worship Jesus. They do deny his divinity and they absolutely deny that when they worship Allah they are worshipping a man. That alone makes the issue more complicated than "we all worship the same god." You are rushing in here telling Muslims that "O Sacred Head Now Wounded" is as much a hymn to Allah as it is to Christ. They will rightfully think you've lost all reason. You want to make the situation more simple than it is so you can score some political points against RWB. I'm not completely unsympathetic to that goal, but that doesn't make your simplistic description complete or correct. But I'm repeating myself, so I'll leave it at that.
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Post by thor on Dec 6, 2023 0:16:31 GMT
Just stop. They not only have common roots, they have the same patriarch. And a great many of the same stories. The God of all three is the very same entity, whether you like it or not. At best, you have doctrinal differences, and that's it. I will say what I wish when I wish, Thor. And I will stop when I wish, without considering input from others on this board. You are wrong. The situation is more complicated than you describe. The answer to the question "Do the three Abrahamic religions worship the same God?" is both "yes" and "no" depending on what you mean. Muslims who say, "No, Christians worship Jesus and we reject that he is God," are not being irrational. We do worship Jesus. They do deny his divinity and they absolutely deny that when they worship Allah they are worshipping a man. That alone makes the issue more complicated than "we all worship the same god." You are rushing in here telling Muslims that "O Sacred Head Now Wounded" is as much a hymn to Allah as it is to Christ. They will rightfully think you've lost all reason. You want to make the situation more simple than it is so you can score some political points against RWB. I'm not completely unsympathetic to that goal, but that doesn't make your simplistic description complete or correct. But I'm repeating myself, so I'll leave it at that. I submit you need to open up the Qur'an and read it. Every point you just made is doctrine, and changes nothing regarding the fact that all three religions worship the same entity. This is part of the reason that Islam spread so rapidly in the former Christian lands of the Byzantine state. Allah (merely the Arabic word for 'God') was recognizably the same God to a large amount of the people who lived in Syria, Palestine, Egypt and the coast of North Africa all the way to what is now Morocco. This made the conquest (and conversion) of these areas far easier than if they had been say, pagans (although in the end it took about a century).
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Post by johnnybgood on Dec 6, 2023 0:24:53 GMT
You do know that Muslims worship the same God you do, right, Cuck? wrong asshole my God doesn't offer his followers 72 Virgin goats or what ever for killing innocent people that would be the God of Islam Satan There are sparkles you place in spots where it fits you. The 72 virgins and killing people stuff is add-ons from groups. Segregation promoted by God in the Bible? (I don't know, maybe it is) Some people were taught in school that southern laws (Jim crow) were made to follow the bible. Religion can be easily misinterpreted or used as a tool to brain wash. People were taught slavery had a positive for Africans. They would learn Christianity. Hitler, Bin Ladin and others used it.
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Post by Maestro on Dec 6, 2023 0:26:12 GMT
I will say what I wish when I wish, Thor. And I will stop when I wish, without considering input from others on this board. You are wrong. The situation is more complicated than you describe. The answer to the question "Do the three Abrahamic religions worship the same God?" is both "yes" and "no" depending on what you mean. Muslims who say, "No, Christians worship Jesus and we reject that he is God," are not being irrational. We do worship Jesus. They do deny his divinity and they absolutely deny that when they worship Allah they are worshipping a man. That alone makes the issue more complicated than "we all worship the same god." You are rushing in here telling Muslims that "O Sacred Head Now Wounded" is as much a hymn to Allah as it is to Christ. They will rightfully think you've lost all reason. You want to make the situation more simple than it is so you can score some political points against RWB. I'm not completely unsympathetic to that goal, but that doesn't make your simplistic description complete or correct. But I'm repeating myself, so I'll leave it at that. I submit you need to open up the Qur'an and read it. Every point you just made is doctrine, and changes nothing regarding the fact that all three religions worship the same entity. This is part of the reason that Islam spread so rapidly in the former Christian lands of the Byzantine state. Allah (merely the Arabic word for 'God') was recognizably the same God to a large amount of the people who lived in Syria, Palestine, Egypt and the coast of North Africa all the way to what is now Morocco. This made the conquest (and conversion) of these areas far easier than if they had been say, pagans (although in the end it took about a century). But none of that matters. I think you think I'm saying something other than what I'm actually saying. The fact that you translate "Allah" is evidence. I know what Allah means. That's irrelevant. Do Muslims worship Jesus of Nazareth? Of course they don't. Are Christians and Muslims united on this fact? Yes. Do Christians worship Jesus of Nazareth? Of course they do. Are Christians and Muslims united on this fact? Yes. So is there a difference in the object of worship between Christians and Muslims? Yes. Is there a historical connection between the one Christians call "God the Father" and the one Muslims call "Allah"? Yes. Does that change the fact that there is a difference in the object of worship between Christians and Muslims? No. Do any mainstream Muslims accept the notion that Allah is another name for Jesus of Nazareth? No. So is it a gross oversimplification to say "Christians and Muslims worship the same god?' Yes.
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Post by Maestro on Dec 6, 2023 1:18:36 GMT
thorDoes it not strike you as amusing that between the two of us, you are the one that is being dogmatic and stubbornly sticking to a black and white view of the situation at hand? And I am the one saying that your position is true in one sense, but false in another. I am the one saying that the view of the Muslim should be considered, while you discard it. I am the one saying that the issue is nuanced and complex. You are the one ignoring the glaring evidence of common sense which acknowledges that every mainstream Christian worships someone that every mainstream Muslim refuses to worship: Jesus of Nazareth. While some mainstream Christians might maintain that Muslims unknowingly worship Jesus because Jesus is God and "Allah" is another word for "God," no mainstream Muslim will agree to that. None of them. I'm willing to consider their view as well as the view that some Christians hold. Yet you are not. The Muslim gets no say in your view. He worships Jesus and that's it. It does not make sense to stick to your stubborn black-and-white view on this.
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Post by bama beau on Dec 6, 2023 1:49:17 GMT
You do know that Muslims worship the same God you do, right, Cuck? It's not that simple. Christians consider worship of Jesus to be the worship of God. Because of that, I think a significant number of Muslims are going to disagree with you that they and we worship "the same god." They believe, after all, that we worship a non-divine human. Are you also going insult them and tell them they are wrong, that you understand Islam better than they? That Jesus of Nazareth and Allah are one and the same? We all acknowledge that the three Abrahamic religions have some common roots, but it that's not the same thing as saying we worship the same God. It's more nuanced than the black and white situation that you are describing. Perhaps the nuances are largely a matter of interpretation. Regardless of which human says what, if there is only one true Divine Creator, nobody can truly worship any One else. It would follow that knowing that, the Creator would come to us cloaked in culture, that culture perhaps ignorantly, or perhaps worse, making self-serving claims of privilege. The Christians claim God sent His Son, curiously enough, to save only them. The Jews and Muslims aren't buying it. But that doesn't mean that each of three Abrahamic sects aren't talking about the same God. In fact, given what we know about the evolution of Abrahamic religion, I believe that it's incorrect to assume anything other than the idea that we're all worshipping the same God. It's self evident.
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Post by DaveJavu on Dec 6, 2023 1:58:56 GMT
You do know that Muslims worship the same God you do, right, Cuck? It's not that simple. Christians consider worship of Jesus to be the worship of God. Because of that, I think a significant number of Muslims are going to disagree with you that they and we worship "the same god." They believe, after all, that we worship a non-divine human. Are you also going insult them and tell them they are wrong, that you understand Islam better than they? That Jesus of Nazareth and Allah are one and the same? We all acknowledge that the three Abrahamic religions have some common roots, but it that's not the same thing as saying we worship the same God. It's more nuanced than the black and white situation that you are describing. In many ways, Muslims are to Christians, what Christians are to Jews.
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