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Post by demos on Sept 22, 2020 15:37:31 GMT
What is that part in the New York law about "engages in tumultuous . . . conduct"? That does not involve violence, but rather "tumultuous conduct." , such as "and" |
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Post by demos on Sept 22, 2020 15:54:45 GMT
You ignore a lot of things in that statute, such as "for the purpose of."
Simply being present isn't a crime. You have to been engaging in or preparing to engage in the crime.
If simply being present was a crime, then any innocent bystander could be arrested.
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Post by petep on Sept 22, 2020 16:11:55 GMT
The left struggles with sense
The videos and pics of destruction are clear.
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Post by demos on Sept 22, 2020 16:14:02 GMT
Actually there are two ways to violate that law: 1. Assembling with the purpose of engaging in conduct or 2. Being present at such an assembly and remaining there. The second part does not require engaging in or preparing to engage in violence. It only requires remaining present. If only one person in an assembly of four or more people engages in violent conduct, remaining at the assembly, even though not engaging in violent conduct, is itself a violation of the law. Actually, the second part does require engaging. It says, "remains there with intent to advance that purpose." That purpose being "engaging or preparing to engage with them in tumultuous and violent conduct likely to cause public alarm." |
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Post by petep on Sept 22, 2020 16:22:27 GMT
It’s absolutely mind boggling how clueless some are How can anyone not be aware of those with money fleeing the dangerous dem run cities. Even radically liberal time is reporting it. Deblasio has spoken at length about it time.com/5851978/pandemic-plague-henry-viii/ |
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Post by atreyu on Sept 22, 2020 16:35:18 GMT
I hear ya man, those red states are fucked.
If it's the blue states who stop paying federal taxes, then it will be the blue states who lose their SNAP. Oh yeah, what's the federal government going to pay the red states with once blue states stop paying taxes? Red states are net losers.
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Post by demos on Sept 22, 2020 16:40:13 GMT
"Intent to advance" does not imply actually engaging in the conduct. Intent would be part of the criminal case. You would have to show/prove intent. That would be engaging. You're not really interpreting; you're misinterpreting the statute. Quite clearly. Again, there is no federal responsibility to enforce state law. |
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Post by demos on Sept 22, 2020 16:58:27 GMT
There is federal responsibility to enforce federal law against rioting, which is made necessary when states don't enforce their own laws against rioting, unlawful assembly, etc. No, the federal responsibility is to enforce the federal law which involves violations of interstate commerce (and we haven't even gotten to the part where the commerce clause has been stretched to the point of ridiculousness). The state laws do not involve violations of interstate commerce, and as we have already seen, the states have been arresting and prosecuting people. Lulz. Based on current police behavior, lowering the bar would lead to even more protests and riots . |
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Post by demos on Sept 22, 2020 17:06:06 GMT
This made me chuckle.
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Post by demos on Sept 22, 2020 17:16:28 GMT
If taking steps to stop the riots causes the riots to increase, then there is continued escalation until one side overpowers the other. We don't fail to enforce law because doing so will lead to more law breaking. On the other hand, you can enforce the law without violating people rights (see the 4th and 5th Amendments). If there are no interstate commerce violations, where is the violation of federal law? What violations of federal law are you referring to. Then the federal government should prosecute those people. The states aren't prohibiting that enforcement. |
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Post by petep on Sept 22, 2020 17:27:50 GMT
If nothing else, all arguments against the 2nd amendment fail.
The radicals have provided the proof as to why we have the right to self defense.
So much for their age old answer - just call 911
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Post by demos on Sept 22, 2020 17:46:36 GMT
The states are making federal enforcement necessary by not enforcing their own laws. No, they're not. The states have been arresting people; they're just not arresting everyone protesting, which is what you want. And? The federal government arrests people on a regular basis. Weren't you just citing the use of the internet to incite a riot; that doesn't require enforcement at the time of the riot. Also, if they're attacking federal buildings/property, they can arrest people then too. |
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Post by demos on Sept 22, 2020 19:21:52 GMT
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