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Post by demos on Sept 21, 2020 16:57:34 GMT
SourceHere's the memo. This doesn't appear to be based on any kind of law, legal opinion, or previous ruling. Basically, just executive fiat.
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Post by petep on Sept 21, 2020 17:05:21 GMT
I’d say I don’t care if the people of these cities destroy themselves.
But we all always end up paying for their tantrums
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Post by demos on Sept 21, 2020 17:16:16 GMT
Are the states failing to enforce federal law? Why would states enforce federal law? |
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Post by petep on Sept 21, 2020 17:16:35 GMT
Heck. Some are encouraging the violence.
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Post by rabbitreborn on Sept 21, 2020 17:22:52 GMT
If anybody sees any other way out of this besides Default (on the debt) and Secede (into multiple different countries), I'm all ears.
An election won't make the 60+ million people who vote for the other guy disappear.
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Post by demos on Sept 21, 2020 17:30:13 GMT
Because they are also state laws. If a state fails to enforce state laws, which are also federal laws, then where does the responsibility fall to enforce them? Not of all the laws at the state level that deal with riots, looting, damage to property etc. are federal laws. Honestly, I can't think of any that would overlap. |
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Post by demos on Sept 21, 2020 17:44:14 GMT
^ And that isn't a state law the state can enforce (notice the bit about interstate commerce).
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Post by Greg55_99 on Sept 21, 2020 18:20:18 GMT
I told you. Trump is as dumb as a box of rocks. Jaysus….
Greg
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Post by demos on Sept 21, 2020 18:25:48 GMT
Below is the state law that is not being enforced. And the federal government doesn't really have much say in how the state enforces that law. Then its the federal government that's not enforcing it, because that's a federal law. The state has no role there. And these decisions being made by executive fiat is not consistent with our constitution. Also you don't need mass numbers of federal law enforcement to enforce the federal statute. That requires investigation and prosecution by the DOJ. |
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Post by Greg55_99 on Sept 21, 2020 18:28:30 GMT
So what's his next step? He going to declare Martial Law and say that people in those areas can't come out to vote?
Wouldn't surprise me.
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Post by MojoJojo on Sept 21, 2020 21:23:03 GMT
Trump reaps what he's sown.
A couple speeches would have ended this but he can't bring himself to isolate the fringes in his coalition, as he needs every vote. This is the end result of division in politics. Four more years and he'll have his base terrified of the rest of the country.
A couple speeches with throwaway lines he doesn't even mean, yet he just can't do it.
Throws half the country to the wolves and he's surprised at the protesting, rioting, looting and burning. So unqualified. :/
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Post by Odysseus on Sept 21, 2020 21:54:06 GMT
The sooner we ease Trump and his minions out of office, the better.
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Post by atreyu on Sept 21, 2020 23:40:45 GMT
Blue cities just need to stop paying federal taxes. Watch who swerves first.
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Post by petep on Sept 22, 2020 1:19:23 GMT
Ding dong all the wealthy people who were paying the taxes have left for the suburbs. They got sick of the idiots
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Post by atreyu on Sept 22, 2020 1:21:18 GMT
Ding dong all the wealthy people who were paying the taxes have left for the suburbs. They got sick of the idiots
Don't worry I won't wait up for you to provide a source.
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Post by Odysseus on Sept 22, 2020 1:22:24 GMT
Blue cities just need to stop paying federal taxes. Watch who swerves first.
Maybe the blue states should follow that up.
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Post by atreyu on Sept 22, 2020 1:27:41 GMT
Blue cities just need to stop paying federal taxes. Watch who swerves first. What happens when the hood stops getting their SNAP? I guess they'll run up into the decent neighborhoods and see what they can find.
I hear ya man, those red states are fucked.
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Post by demos on Sept 22, 2020 14:03:54 GMT
If the state enforces its law against riots by stopping them, then the federal government doesn't have to. Both of the statutes you cited (federal and state) can only be enforced after the crime has been committed. |
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Post by demos on Sept 22, 2020 14:50:23 GMT
A riot starts at a certain time and ends at a certain time. Once the riot starts, the crime of participating in it has been committed. Enforcing the law at that point by arresting participants stops the riot from continuing from that point until the time it would have stopped on its own. You're catching on. Seems like they have been arresting participants (See here, here and here for example). No responsibility falls on the federal government to stop a state crime or enforce state laws. |
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Post by demos on Sept 22, 2020 15:09:39 GMT
The crime of rioting is participation in a riot, defined as a public disturbance involving acts of violence. That is, it is not committing acts of violence that constitutes the crime of rioting, but participating in a public disturbance that involves such acts. Therefore all participants in a riot commit the crime of rioting, whether they themselves commit acts of violence or not. Read the NY statute you cited earlier: Simultaneously with ten or more other persons, engages in tumultuous and violent conduct and thereby intentionally or recklessly causes or creates a grave risk of causing public alarm, and in the course of and as a result of such conduct, a person other than one of the participants suffers physical injury or substantial property damage occurs.According to that, committing acts of violence constitutes the crime. Also, not everyone involved in those protests were participating in riots. But that appears to be what you're suggesting. |
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