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Post by thor on Apr 24, 2023 7:35:08 GMT
An armed French population did hamper the German invasion. It was called The French Resistance. Imagine if they had been more well armed before instead of having to scrounge for and fight for and improvise for the weapons they had to. Hmmmm.... there's a significant difference between an occupation force and a full attacking armoured army with air support. The Resistance would've been hopelessly over-matched in Summer 1940. The French didn't get defeated because they lacked men with rifles. The primary reasons were very poor communications within their Army, very poor intelligence work, and quite masterful and bold work by the Germans. Realistically, the Resistance were useful for morale and self-respect amongst the French, rather than militarily useful, except for welcome intelligence adjuncts to British, and later US, intelligence gathering. Plus all the sabotage in the immediate run-up to June 44. You folks got your asses kicked too in 1940 my Brother... Just sayin'.... For an interesting look at a (small) part of the French resistance effort - try reading 'Das Reich' (2d SS Pz. Division) by Brit Max Hastings. Interesting stuff in there about rail sabotage. Unfortunately - the overland march from the Montauban area in SW France to Normandy ended up leading to the massacre at Ouradour-sur-Glane (sorry if I fucked that up, Dave).
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Post by thor on Apr 24, 2023 7:37:22 GMT
It's true that the French provided significant aid. Things have changed. While they've always been historically effeminate, now they are just stinky annoying F-ags. Nobody around the world likes them and they can't even defend themselves. DavePedo is the stereotypical frenchwoman. Loud, obnoxious, dumb, weak, and mentally ill. France is nothing more than one of our european vassal states. -edit. Even the censor auto corrects f-ags to frogs. 🤣😂🤣 Not "significant aid". "Won the war for you". The Battle of the Capes was decisive, IMO. That was the war, right there.
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Post by thor on Apr 24, 2023 7:39:02 GMT
I have to disagree on your first sentence. If you read our history, the civilian militias were formed long before the standing army. And most all of the people in the standing army in the revolutionary war came out of the civilian militia. And of course those militia who did not join the standing army stayed in the civilian militia. A significant reason the standing army was good was because they had good raw material coming out of the militia. It’s also fair to state that yes, of course the militia member who joined the formal standing army were at the lead in winning the war, there were a number of very important and critical battles that were won by the civilian militia. A good overview here. www.battlefields.org/learn/articles/militia-minutemen-and-continentals-american-military-force-american-revolutionAnd of course the French were critical. Especially at the end. But they also supplied critical inputs like gunpowder. When you look at statistics and metrics used in wars like round expended per kill in major wars the us rounds expended per kill is vastly lower than other nations. Why? Well many in our fighting force grew up shooting. Even today, I’ve hog hunted often - much different from deer hunting as there are no limits and it’s a good test of shooting skills, distance and moving targets- with police officers and career military guys - any of the country hunters blow away the city police and military guys who grew up in the city when it comes to marksmanship. Most of the city police and even military guys don’t get the shooting experience a lifelong hunter has. Qualifying once a year on a 25 yard pistol range is not the same as spending decades hunting and thousands of hours on the range and trap shooting. My dad went to a military college and was in the military after and shared quite a few funny stories of trying to train the city guys. He and others had been hunting and shooting since they were young kids. Almost none of the city kids had ever shot a gun let alone learn to stalk. Watch experienced hunters / shooters and they shoot with both eyes open when not using a gun with a scope, they don’t blink when the gun fires and they don’t flinch at all. That’s not to suggest that the military doesn’t have great marksmen. I’ve been to the camp Perry long range competition and I can barely see the target they routinely hit with iron sights at 1000 yards. Often it’s a military winner. And of course the organization and strategy an organized military offers is very important vs an unorganized group. But again, these military members were us civilians first. We still have a militia.The first real gun I had, my grandmother gave me. I was 12 years old. It was a 12Ga. shotgun. Single barrel, single shot. And I hunted until she passed away I think I was 23. I never hunted after that. No one could cook wild game the way she could. My brother and I got into pistol shooting with western style revolvers. You know, shooting tin cans and bottles. We did go to a dump and shoot rats at times. We started shooting at targets later. My brother had started a motorcycle shop and I helped and worked with him whenever I could. Steady for almost two years I was laid off from the GMC plant I worked at. One day a guy walked in. He needed something for his motorcycle. And he saw a target my brothe had on the desk. Funny, that target my brother was shooting at, a horse fly must have landed on it and was accidently hit by a bullet. There was what looked like a drop of blood with two wings stuck on it. My brother carefully kept that target and we thought it was funny. He told everyone the fly walking on his target mad him mad. Anyway, the man that walked in saw it and got to laugh at it too, and asked if we would like to come and shoot at the Chase range. He was in charge of it and come as his guest. We knew where it was, but never joined and shot there so it was a big deal to us. We went there on a Sunday as he asked. And he put targets out for us and himself. 25 yards was a lot farther than we used to shoot with our six guns. He watched us. Then he said, ok my turn. With his 1911 style automatic, 45cal. 25 yards. He fired 5 shots. And then we went down to see what we had hit, and what he had hit. He hit all five in the 10 ring. His name was Tom Colasanto. And he was the national civilian champion of Camp Perry. And we got rid of our revolvers, he trained us. And he was captain of the Chase shooting team, and as we learned how to shoot, he got us on the Chase team. And the Chase team lost the trophy once in 16 years. After a few years, Tom and my brother would go back and forth for highest score in a match, and I and Guy Russo would go back and forth for 3rd or forth high score in a match. That was many years ago. We both still shoot pretty damn good. Tom has passed away. He was a good guy. And yes, I always legally have a gun on me. Quiet yourself, Figa.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2023 7:56:59 GMT
We still have a militia.The first real gun I had, my grandmother gave me. I was 12 years old. It was a 12Ga. shotgun. Single barrel, single shot. And I hunted until she passed away I think I was 23. I never hunted after that. No one could cook wild game the way she could. My brother and I got into pistol shooting with western style revolvers. You know, shooting tin cans and bottles. We did go to a dump and shoot rats at times. We started shooting at targets later. My brother had started a motorcycle shop and I helped and worked with him whenever I could. Steady for almost two years I was laid off from the GMC plant I worked at. One day a guy walked in. He needed something for his motorcycle. And he saw a target my brothe had on the desk. Funny, that target my brother was shooting at, a horse fly must have landed on it and was accidently hit by a bullet. There was what looked like a drop of blood with two wings stuck on it. My brother carefully kept that target and we thought it was funny. He told everyone the fly walking on his target mad him mad. Anyway, the man that walked in saw it and got to laugh at it too, and asked if we would like to come and shoot at the Chase range. He was in charge of it and come as his guest. We knew where it was, but never joined and shot there so it was a big deal to us. We went there on a Sunday as he asked. And he put targets out for us and himself. 25 yards was a lot farther than we used to shoot with our six guns. He watched us. Then he said, ok my turn. With his 1911 style automatic, 45cal. 25 yards. He fired 5 shots. And then we went down to see what we had hit, and what he had hit. He hit all five in the 10 ring. His name was Tom Colasanto. And he was the national civilian champion of Camp Perry. And we got rid of our revolvers, he trained us. And he was captain of the Chase shooting team, and as we learned how to shoot, he got us on the Chase team. And the Chase team lost the trophy once in 16 years. After a few years, Tom and my brother would go back and forth for highest score in a match, and I and Guy Russo would go back and forth for 3rd or forth high score in a match. That was many years ago. We both still shoot pretty damn good. Tom has passed away. He was a good guy. And yes, I always legally have a gun on me. Quiet yourself, Figa. Archie is a rambling moron.
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Post by limey² on Apr 24, 2023 9:29:08 GMT
Can you suggest a remotely plausible scenario in which, without direct and indirect French support, the American revolutionaries/rebels/traitors could have militarily defeated the British? I predict not. In which case, rather than embarrassed, I can legitimately feel smugly correct. Lol. You got beat by the French...🤣😂 Many times; post-Normans, though, I think the final score was something like 17-9 to us, with the final playoff in 1815 granting us the trophy in perpetuity.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2023 9:38:31 GMT
Lol. You got beat by the French...🤣😂 Many times; post-Normans, though, I think the final score was something like 17-9 to us, with the final playoff in 1815 granting us the trophy in perpetuity. Why are you responding to this piece of shit? He's incapable of making one coherent statement.
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Post by limey² on Apr 24, 2023 10:26:36 GMT
Not "significant aid". "Won the war for you". The Battle of the Capes was decisive, IMO. That was the war, right there. It's more the strategic situation. The British had to focus on war against France; that's what allowed the rebels in the US to prevail. The French war was far, far more important to wider & long-term British interests than the governance of the American colonies.
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Post by limey² on Apr 24, 2023 10:32:19 GMT
Hmmmm.... there's a significant difference between an occupation force and a full attacking armoured army with air support. The Resistance would've been hopelessly over-matched in Summer 1940. The French didn't get defeated because they lacked men with rifles. The primary reasons were very poor communications within their Army, very poor intelligence work, and quite masterful and bold work by the Germans. Realistically, the Resistance were useful for morale and self-respect amongst the French, rather than militarily useful, except for welcome intelligence adjuncts to British, and later US, intelligence gathering. Plus all the sabotage in the immediate run-up to June 44. You folks got your asses kicked too in 1940 my Brother...Just sayin'.... For an interesting look at a (small) part of the French resistance effort - try reading 'Das Reich' (2d SS Pz. Division) by Brit Max Hastings. Interesting stuff in there about rail sabotage. Unfortunately - the overland march from the Montauban area in SW France to Normandy ended up leading to the massacre at Ouradour-sur-Glane (sorry if I fucked that up, Dave). Very much so; some essenti lessons were learned, or re-learned.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2023 11:25:49 GMT
Hmmmm.... there's a significant difference between an occupation force and a full attacking armoured army with air support. The Resistance would've been hopelessly over-matched in Summer 1940. The French didn't get defeated because they lacked men with rifles. The primary reasons were very poor communications within their Army, very poor intelligence work, and quite masterful and bold work by the Germans. Realistically, the Resistance were useful for morale and self-respect amongst the French, rather than militarily useful, except for welcome intelligence adjuncts to British, and later US, intelligence gathering. Plus all the sabotage in the immediate run-up to June 44. You folks got your asses kicked too in 1940 my Brother... Just sayin'.... For an interesting look at a (small) part of the French resistance effort - try reading 'Das Reich' (2d SS Pz. Division) by Brit Max Hastings. Interesting stuff in there about rail sabotage. Unfortunately - the overland march from the Montauban area in SW France to Normandy ended up leading to the massacre at Ouradour-sur-Glane (sorry if I fucked that up, Dave). What's significant is that we the French don't hold a grudge against the Germans for what their (great)grandparents did during WWII. We've broken a cycle of hatred that was going on for centuries there and I find that fantastic. It shows how much we've evolved compared to bastards like pale con who's still ruminating on your civil war, much much older than WWII. You have some pitiful excuses for human beings there, rabbit, shitbag, monster fuck... to name a few.
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Post by petep on Apr 24, 2023 11:38:44 GMT
Npr did a piece on all those individuals charged on Jan 6. The number of police and military members participating as a percentage was significantly higher than their relative proportion in society. I found that interesting. People more closely associated with govt roles were more likely to be against what they have seen going on in govt.
I had posted the article here a month or two back.
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Post by CadesCove on Apr 26, 2023 4:16:43 GMT
Tick tock.
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Post by thor on Apr 26, 2023 9:07:26 GMT
We certainly do not want to be taken over by a sociolect or worse government. And it is obvious that the democrat party is no longer the American party it is supposed to be. And they must be stopped. There is already talk of a million man march on the capitol again. And they are doing everything they can to destroy Trump because he knows what they are, and now they have the FBI and some high courts backing them up. And trying to make everything they do look legal and it is not working very well. I hope I am real wrong. But before the next election, I wouldn’t doubt somehow they would assassinate Trump and have someone to blame besides themselves. No way do I trust the democrat party anymore. The last democrat there was, was Kennedy. Strange how that all ended up. The guilty ones I mean. What happened to you last time, Figa?
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Post by runswithscissors on Apr 26, 2023 11:45:45 GMT
The left has some weird notion that the military and govt are on one side and civilians are on the other. A weird leftist ussr mentality Another "every accusation is a confession" phenomena. Always amazes me every time. see above
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Post by archie on Apr 27, 2023 0:50:14 GMT
Some are protectors and some are sheep. And you are delusional ..
You nitwits actually think you're gonna take on the military .. Yep .. Fucking delusional ..
Is the military going to take on the citizens, including their mothers, fathers, sisters and brothers along with their cousins? My grandson is a marine drill instructor. Now a gunny. And the last time he was here in Florida, we went shooting with his mom and dad and another one of my daughters and his girlfriend. We were using pistols only. And I am the one that taught his mother how to shoot, and she passed it and guns on to him at a young age too. He and I did some good shooting. The only thing is, he used two hands to shoot, and I only use one. And I can shoot as good and better hits at targets as he can. And he is damn good.
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Post by archie on Apr 27, 2023 1:07:47 GMT
We certainly do not want to be taken over by a sociolect or worse government. And it is obvious that the democrat party is no longer the American party it is supposed to be. And they must be stopped. There is already talk of a million man march on the capitol again. And they are doing everything they can to destroy Trump because he knows what they are, and now they have the FBI and some high courts backing them up. And trying to make everything they do look legal and it is not working very well. I hope I am real wrong. But before the next election, I wouldn’t doubt somehow they would assassinate Trump and have someone to blame besides themselves. No way do I trust the democrat party anymore. The last democrat there was, was Kennedy. Strange how that all ended up. The guilty ones I mean. Your daughter really should take your internet privileges away like Stu's children did. I never mention my son. I don’t want to scare you. All three of my daughters are karate trained too. They are all smart, the youngest eight years of college. She and her husband are training to get carry permits for their guns. My oldest daughter already has a permit. The middle one has a gun at home and knows how to use it. But she is the tallest and very strong for the nice looking woman she is, and does carry a stun gun. She is the one with the trained dogs. Two of the three would eat anyone that entered her house weather she was home or not. Unless she told them not to. They are all bright enough to know that the democrat party is doing a lousy job. I didn’t have to tell them.
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Post by archie on Apr 27, 2023 1:11:13 GMT
Archie is a rambling moron. Hay, dirty mouth. Why are you so involved in what is going on in my country, when you have enough disaster going on in your own?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2023 6:50:16 GMT
Archie is a rambling moron. Hay, dirty mouth. Why are you so involved in what is going on in my country, when you have enough disaster going on in your own? Disaster? Are you fucking kidding me? I've never been better. I am 33, my house is paid, I have enough money to retire if I could live with entry level wages. At any rate I am probably going to retire when I am fifty. There's a two hour drive for the mediterranean sea, about the same for the nearest ski slope, wine country is about one stone throw away. Life is great! How about you old man, how close are you to kicking the bucket?
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Post by archie on Apr 27, 2023 13:07:43 GMT
Archie is a rambling moron. So what does that make you? Because compared to me, the moron, you and your dirty mouth look a lot lower.
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Post by archie on Apr 27, 2023 13:08:16 GMT
Bye, gym time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2023 13:32:22 GMT
Archie is a rambling moron. So what does that make you? Because compared to me, the moron, you and your dirty mouth look a lot lower. Hey Alzheimer's, you answered the same post twice!
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