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Post by Monster Man on Apr 22, 2023 15:59:24 GMT
Some are protectors and some are sheep. And you are delusional ..
You nitwits actually think you're gonna take on the military .. Yep .. Fucking delusional ..
Yes. You have no clue how the military works. It is not some isolated mass somewhere that operates with impunity. The American military is spread across the country, dependent upon a very complex system of logistics to provide them parts, fuel, food, and other supplies needed. All of those things work because American logistics are isolated and protected here at home... but not so much if they have to fight their own population.
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Post by Monster Man on Apr 22, 2023 16:01:14 GMT
The defining moments for a lot of folks were Ruby Ridge and Waco. When they seen how vindictively the government was going to go after folks, people started buying more guns and ammo. Then they passed the first round of the AWB, folks seen that not only would the government vindictively go after folks, they were trying to disarm them too... gee, guess what happens, folks buy more. An excerpt from MM's upcoming book.. "A Brief History of Gunfucking" This is where you lie about how you don't hate guns and then run away when asked to explain what level of gun ownership it is you actually support.
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Post by Fiddler on Apr 22, 2023 16:03:34 GMT
And you are delusional ..
You nitwits actually think you're gonna take on the military .. Yep .. Fucking delusional ..
Yes. You have no clue how the military works. It is not some isolated mass somewhere that operates with impunity. The American military is spread across the country, dependent upon a very complex system of logistics to provide them parts, fuel, food, and other supplies needed. All of those things work because American logistics are isolated and protected here at home... but not so much if they have to fight their own population.
From chapter 2 ..?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2023 16:05:09 GMT
You have a history of killing one another at record rates, you fucking asshole! You have a history of creating a shithole where the murder rate is SEVEN TIMES that of what it is in France and yet you're such a numbskull that that fact doesn't make you think in the least. You are a despicable twit and if one day you are murdered by someone, you'll have only yourself and your kind to blame, although you seem like you're ready to kick the bucket anytime. Good morning dirty mouth. You are tight. I wonder why. The population of France is ~68.3 million people (269.0 million more people live in United States). In that case there's more people in Europe than in the US, idiot.
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Post by Monster Man on Apr 22, 2023 16:08:58 GMT
Yes. You have no clue how the military works. It is not some isolated mass somewhere that operates with impunity. The American military is spread across the country, dependent upon a very complex system of logistics to provide them parts, fuel, food, and other supplies needed. All of those things work because American logistics are isolated and protected here at home... but not so much if they have to fight their own population.
From chapter 2 ..?
Well, if I thought you could comprehend anything, I would recommend you read it so you are more well informed than you are now.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2023 16:12:26 GMT
There's nothing healthy about a whole country with civilians armed to the teeth, then again you people had this coming with your two-hundred-year-old fixation about guns. I am glad we don't have this problem here. Your gun problem can't be resolved with half-assed measures that will only slightly affect gun fatalities. You don't cure cancer by targeting one cancer cell in a hundred. Tell us all how it needs to be solved. How do you disarm tens of millions of well armed people who don’t want to be disarmed? Military? You make it illegal to own a weapon. People who keep one do do at their own peril. Just like when you exceed the speed limit you may get away with it for some time but sooner or later you will get caught. Same thing as with cheating on your taxes, you can get lucky a few times but you live dangerously.
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Post by limey² on Apr 22, 2023 17:44:36 GMT
Ironically, the semi-myth about armed civilians in your revolution masks the facts that fully-formed armies did the work. Without France the US revolution would certainly have failed. I hope you're not suggesting an armed French population would've hampered the German invasion in 1940; most men of fighting age were, in fact, fighting; most of them bravely & well, with excellent modern weapons. An armed French population did hamper the German invasion. It was called The French Resistance. Imagine if they had been more well armed before instead of having to scrounge for and fight for and improvise for the weapons they had to. Hmmmm.... there's a significant difference between an occupation force and a full attacking armoured army with air support. The Resistance would've been hopelessly over-matched in Summer 1940. The French didn't get defeated because they lacked men with rifles. The primary reasons were very poor communications within their Army, very poor intelligence work, and quite masterful and bold work by the Germans. Realistically, the Resistance were useful for morale and self-respect amongst the French, rather than militarily useful, except for welcome intelligence adjuncts to British, and later US, intelligence gathering. Plus all the sabotage in the immediate run-up to June 44.
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Post by limey² on Apr 22, 2023 17:46:49 GMT
And you are delusional ..
You nitwits actually think you're gonna take on the military .. Yep .. Fucking delusional ..
Yes. You have no clue how the military works. It is not some isolated mass somewhere that operates with impunity. The American military is spread across the country, dependent upon a very complex system of logistics to provide them parts, fuel, food, and other supplies needed. All of those things work because American logistics are isolated and protected here at home... but not so much if they have to fight their own population. In a volunteer Army, the citizens = the Army.
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Post by thecitizen on Apr 22, 2023 18:34:34 GMT
And you are delusional ..
You nitwits actually think you're gonna take on the military .. Yep .. Fucking delusional ..
Yes. You have no clue how the military works. It is not some isolated mass somewhere that operates with impunity. The American military is spread across the country, dependent upon a very complex system of logistics to provide them parts, fuel, food, and other supplies needed. All of those things work because American logistics are isolated and protected here at home... but not so much if they have to fight their own population. You are really stupid
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Post by Monster Man on Apr 22, 2023 20:26:27 GMT
Yes. You have no clue how the military works. It is not some isolated mass somewhere that operates with impunity. The American military is spread across the country, dependent upon a very complex system of logistics to provide them parts, fuel, food, and other supplies needed. All of those things work because American logistics are isolated and protected here at home... but not so much if they have to fight their own population. You are really stupid Well, come on back when you want to try to articulate how.
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Post by RWB on Apr 22, 2023 21:18:24 GMT
Yes. You have no clue how the military works. It is not some isolated mass somewhere that operates with impunity. The American military is spread across the country, dependent upon a very complex system of logistics to provide them parts, fuel, food, and other supplies needed. All of those things work because American logistics are isolated and protected here at home... but not so much if they have to fight their own population. You are really stupid says the low IQ moron who thinks a shotgun is a long range weapon 🙄
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Post by petep on Apr 22, 2023 22:21:10 GMT
The left has some weird notion that the military and govt are on one side and civilians are on the other.
A weird leftist ussr mentality
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Post by oldtrapper on Apr 22, 2023 22:31:43 GMT
The left has some weird notion that the military and govt are on one side and civilians are on the other. A weird leftist ussr mentality Interesting that a liar like you should say so since it is your side that promotes the concept.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2023 23:05:05 GMT
The left has some weird notion that the military and govt are on one side and civilians are on the other. A weird leftist ussr mentality You are a fucking lunatic, completely detached from reality.
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Post by Monster Man on Apr 23, 2023 0:01:11 GMT
The left has some weird notion that the military and govt are on one side and civilians are on the other. A weird leftist ussr mentality You are a fucking lunatic, completely detached from reality. So you think the military is on the opposite side of civilians like some weird ussr mentality?
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Post by runswithscissors on Apr 23, 2023 0:08:38 GMT
And you are delusional ..
You nitwits actually think you're gonna take on the military .. Yep .. Fucking delusional ..
Yes. You have no clue how the military works. It is not some isolated mass somewhere that operates with impunity. The American military is spread across the country, dependent upon a very complex system of logistics to provide them parts, fuel, food, and other supplies needed. All of those things work because American logistics are isolated and protected here at home... but not so much if they have to fight their own population. Says the guy who scoffed at the notion that a horde of goddamn idiotic trump cult members storming the Capitol could possibly take over the government, when actually all it would take would be for Mike Pence to count certain electoral votes a certain way, and once he did that and pronounced the cult leader president again, the military would do.....nothing, since they take their orders from the president (commander in chief of the US military). In this scenario, what the military would be doing is putting down the rebellion of patriots resisting the installation of a dictator and the destruction of the country. Looks to me like you're the one who doesn't understand how the military works, among other things. But you're right about one thing... the massive storehouses of supplies the US Navy maintains in places like Japan, Korea, and numerous other places around the world. I expect the army and air force do pretty much the same thing. But, again, all that shit would just sit there without orders to do something else with it. Now tell me how this is too many words, Punchy. Man, it takes a lot of words to cover your stupid.
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Post by RWB on Apr 23, 2023 0:17:58 GMT
The left has some weird notion that the military and govt are on one side and civilians are on the other. A weird leftist ussr mentality Interesting that a liar like you should say so since it is your side that promotes the concept.
of course a low IQ village idiot who never served doesn't realize those of us who did serve took an Oath to defend America from all enemies BOTH foreign and Domestic. if The power hungry corrupt Democrats ever do try to take away our guns MOST military Active and retired won't turn against the American citizens.
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Post by Monster Man on Apr 23, 2023 0:34:33 GMT
Yes. You have no clue how the military works. It is not some isolated mass somewhere that operates with impunity. The American military is spread across the country, dependent upon a very complex system of logistics to provide them parts, fuel, food, and other supplies needed. All of those things work because American logistics are isolated and protected here at home... but not so much if they have to fight their own population. Says the guy who scoffed at the notion that a horde of goddamn idiotic trump cult members storming the Capitol could possibly take over the government, when actually all it would take would be for Mike Pence to count certain electoral votes a certain way, and once he did that and pronounced the cult leader president again, the military would do.....nothing, since they take their orders from the president (commander in chief of the US military). In this scenario, what the military would be doing is putting down the rebellion of patriots resisting the installation of a dictator and the destruction of the country. Looks to me like you're the one who doesn't understand how the military works, among other things. But you're right about one thing... the massive storehouses of supplies the US Navy maintains in places like Japan, Korea, and numerous other places around the world. I expect the army and air force do pretty much the same thing. But, again, all that shit would just sit there without orders to do something else with it. Now tell me how this is too many words, Punchy. Man, it takes a lot of words to cover your stupid. Of course I scoffed at that notion. A bunch of idiots rioting at the Capitol is not the same thing as a nationwide fight against the government if it were somehow to turn the military on the mass population. You are even dumber than Trump was if you believe Pence could have done any of that and just like Magic Trump becomes President.
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Post by runswithscissors on Apr 23, 2023 0:49:23 GMT
Says the guy who scoffed at the notion that a horde of goddamn idiotic trump cult members storming the Capitol could possibly take over the government, when actually all it would take would be for Mike Pence to count certain electoral votes a certain way, and once he did that and pronounced the cult leader president again, the military would do.....nothing, since they take their orders from the president (commander in chief of the US military). In this scenario, what the military would be doing is putting down the rebellion of patriots resisting the installation of a dictator and the destruction of the country. Looks to me like you're the one who doesn't understand how the military works, among other things. But you're right about one thing... the massive storehouses of supplies the US Navy maintains in places like Japan, Korea, and numerous other places around the world. I expect the army and air force do pretty much the same thing. But, again, all that shit would just sit there without orders to do something else with it. Now tell me how this is too many words, Punchy. Man, it takes a lot of words to cover your stupid. Of course I scoffed at that notion. A bunch of idiots rioting at the Capitol is not the same thing as a nationwide fight against the government if it were somehow to turn the military on the mass population. You are even dumber than Trump was if you believe Pence could have done any of that and just like Magic Trump becomes President. Once again you miss the point. Our system is such that a ceremonial procedure is what officially determines who the winner of the presidential election is. It is performed by the sitting vice president in the form of counting the electoral votes from the several states. If that sitting vice president chooses (on his own) to count the fake electors that were submitted instead of the certified electors, he could pronounce trump president. That would be the end of that circumstance. Then the shit would start. And, again, the military takes orders from the president. The military would be hamstrung, unable to do anyting without orders to do something. Mutiny in the ranks would likely ensue in most units, thus creating more chaos. Admirals and generals would be calling the White House for direction or advice.....trump would be eating chicken and watching Faux News. You're pretty dumb to think that Pence could NOT have pronounced trump president if he counted the fake electoral votes. I made an attempt to show you how those fake electoral votes came to exist but you never fail to treat evidence like a baby treats a diaper. And I've been treating you the same way for some time now.
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Post by archie on Apr 23, 2023 1:33:22 GMT
Ironically, the semi-myth about armed civilians in your revolution masks the facts that fully-formed armies did the work. Without France the US revolution would certainly have failed. I hope you're not suggesting an armed French population would've hampered the German invasion in 1940; most men of fighting age were, in fact, fighting; most of them bravely & well, with excellent modern weapons. I have to disagree on your first sentence. If you read our history, the civilian militias were formed long before the standing army. And most all of the people in the standing army in the revolutionary war came out of the civilian militia. And of course those militia who did not join the standing army stayed in the civilian militia. A significant reason the standing army was good was because they had good raw material coming out of the militia. It’s also fair to state that yes, of course the militia member who joined the formal standing army were at the lead in winning the war, there were a number of very important and critical battles that were won by the civilian militia. A good overview here. www.battlefields.org/learn/articles/militia-minutemen-and-continentals-american-military-force-american-revolutionAnd of course the French were critical. Especially at the end. But they also supplied critical inputs like gunpowder. When you look at statistics and metrics used in wars like round expended per kill in major wars the us rounds expended per kill is vastly lower than other nations. Why? Well many in our fighting force grew up shooting. Even today, I’ve hog hunted often - much different from deer hunting as there are no limits and it’s a good test of shooting skills, distance and moving targets- with police officers and career military guys - any of the country hunters blow away the city police and military guys who grew up in the city when it comes to marksmanship. Most of the city police and even military guys don’t get the shooting experience a lifelong hunter has. Qualifying once a year on a 25 yard pistol range is not the same as spending decades hunting and thousands of hours on the range and trap shooting. My dad went to a military college and was in the military after and shared quite a few funny stories of trying to train the city guys. He and others had been hunting and shooting since they were young kids. Almost none of the city kids had ever shot a gun let alone learn to stalk. Watch experienced hunters / shooters and they shoot with both eyes open when not using a gun with a scope, they don’t blink when the gun fires and they don’t flinch at all. That’s not to suggest that the military doesn’t have great marksmen. I’ve been to the camp Perry long range competition and I can barely see the target they routinely hit with iron sights at 1000 yards. Often it’s a military winner. And of course the organization and strategy an organized military offers is very important vs an unorganized group. But again, these military members were us civilians first. We still have a militia.The first real gun I had, my grandmother gave me. I was 12 years old. It was a 12Ga. shotgun. Single barrel, single shot. And I hunted until she passed away I think I was 23. I never hunted after that. No one could cook wild game the way she could. My brother and I got into pistol shooting with western style revolvers. You know, shooting tin cans and bottles. We did go to a dump and shoot rats at times. We started shooting at targets later. My brother had started a motorcycle shop and I helped and worked with him whenever I could. Steady for almost two years I was laid off from the GMC plant I worked at. One day a guy walked in. He needed something for his motorcycle. And he saw a target my brothe had on the desk. Funny, that target my brother was shooting at, a horse fly must have landed on it and was accidently hit by a bullet. There was what looked like a drop of blood with two wings stuck on it. My brother carefully kept that target and we thought it was funny. He told everyone the fly walking on his target mad him mad. Anyway, the man that walked in saw it and got to laugh at it too, and asked if we would like to come and shoot at the Chase range. He was in charge of it and come as his guest. We knew where it was, but never joined and shot there so it was a big deal to us. We went there on a Sunday as he asked. And he put targets out for us and himself. 25 yards was a lot farther than we used to shoot with our six guns. He watched us. Then he said, ok my turn. With his 1911 style automatic, 45cal. 25 yards. He fired 5 shots. And then we went down to see what we had hit, and what he had hit. He hit all five in the 10 ring. His name was Tom Colasanto. And he was the national civilian champion of Camp Perry. And we got rid of our revolvers, he trained us. And he was captain of the Chase shooting team, and as we learned how to shoot, he got us on the Chase team. And the Chase team lost the trophy once in 16 years. After a few years, Tom and my brother would go back and forth for highest score in a match, and I and Guy Russo would go back and forth for 3rd or forth high score in a match. That was many years ago. We both still shoot pretty damn good. Tom has passed away. He was a good guy. And yes, I always legally have a gun on me.
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