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Post by Paleocon on Apr 13, 2023 22:25:22 GMT
No, 3.9 million human beings were left behind by the Yankees to fend for themselves. More blacks died under Union control than ever did under the Confederates. The only trash in this story are the minions of the Union and those still supporting that disgusting Lincoln filth today.
Did you realize that almost all of the ex-slaves were forced to stay in the South until the early 20th century because the racist North wouldn't allow them to move North?
Tyrant Lincoln would have loved mindless, brainwashed followers like you, Greg. Just his type.
White officers controlling a black brigade wearing Union uniforms were put to death along with the black soldiers. No POW option. Sure the north was racist. But I wouldn't compare it with the south. That was wrong, but not a large number. The Yankees' negligence resulted in tens of thousands of blacks starving or dying of disease.
Bondspeople who fled from slavery during and after the Civil War did not expect that their flight toward freedom would lead to sickness, disease, suffering, and death. But the war produced the largest biological crisis of the nineteenth century, and as historian Jim Downs reveals in this groundbreaking volume, it had deadly consequences for hundreds of thousands of freed people.
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Post by johnnybgood on Apr 13, 2023 22:30:05 GMT
The slavers were opposed by people thousands of miles away, in barely-better conditions than slaves, because right and wrong matter. www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-21057494British shipping interests, and English colonizers of North America are the ones who bought and transported the slaves to the world. And bought those slaves from Africans selling their own people. So did France and Spain. Millions dropped off in Brazil by Spanish and Portuguese.
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Post by johnnybgood on Apr 13, 2023 22:32:01 GMT
White officers controlling a black brigade wearing Union uniforms were put to death along with the black soldiers. No POW option. Sure the north was racist. But I wouldn't compare it with the south. That was wrong, but not a large number. The Yankees' negligence resulted in tens of thousands of blacks starving or dying of disease.
Bondspeople who fled from slavery during and after the Civil War did not expect that their flight toward freedom would lead to sickness, disease, suffering, and death. But the war produced the largest biological crisis of the nineteenth century, and as historian Jim Downs reveals in this groundbreaking volume, it had deadly consequences for hundreds of thousands of freed people.
They were among the best soldiers at the end when the Union stopped using them for just labor jobs. They didn't get paid equally, but they did get paid.
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Post by HolyMoly on Apr 14, 2023 0:23:39 GMT
But their were eleven states were in the group that you are currently smearing, not just the subset. And the secession documents were only about secession, not the war. But an elitist tirade in the form of a declaration has no power in law....it's just politics. When the actual founding documents were created by the representatives of all of the Southern states, a far different picture emerged.
Of course modern historians are punished. This historian was pounded for simply arguing that "an unsettling number of academic historians have allowed their political views in the present to shape and distort their interpretations of the past." THAT'S ALL HE DID....and he was attacked by the leftist authoritarian brats that want to do just that and forced to apologize.
Sweet offered a gentle criticism of the New York Times’s 1619 Project as evidence of this pattern. Many historians embraced the 1619 Project for its political messages despite substantive flaws of fact and interpretation in its content. Sweet thus asked: “As journalism, the project is powerful and effective, but is it history?”
Within moments of his column appearing online, all hell broke loose on Twitter.
Incensed at even the mildest suggestion that politicization is undermining the integrity of historical scholarship, the activist wing of the history profession showed up on the AHA’s thread and began demanding Sweet’s cancellation.
One day after the offending article went live, the AHA tweeted out a “public apology” from Sweet. It reads like a forced confession statement, acknowledging the “harm” and “damage” allegedly caused by simply raising questions about the politicization of scholarship toward overtly ideological activist ends.
Only an idiot thinks that the punishment wouldn't be worse if any historian failed to worship the Northern lies about the South. Stop being so stupidly naive and ignorant.
I'm only "smearing" them because they were fighting to keep black people as property. Secession led to the war, as most of these southern idiots must have foreseen. Too much bluster, not enough brains. And as I said before, by their actions they ended slavery before it would have ended otherwise. Think there might have been overlap between the people responsible for the secession declarations and the representatives who voted for the Confederate Constitution, which just by mere coincidence made slavery legal? What a shocker. One historian complaining about parts of the 1619 project and getting pushback is not the same as southern historians agreeing that slavery was the main cause of the Civil War. How have they been punished? They are not northern lies about the south. They are accepted history in both north and south, accepted except for a small number of Lost Causers who live in their own topsy turvy world.
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Post by limey² on Apr 14, 2023 1:46:27 GMT
The slavers were opposed by people thousands of miles away, in barely-better conditions than slaves, because right and wrong matter. www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-21057494British shipping interests, and English colonizers of North America are the ones who bought and transported the slaves to the world. And bought those slaves from Africans selling their own people. Gosh! Really??? English AND British? Wow. Was it English or British vessels that stopped the slave trade to America? Take your time. No rush.
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Post by thor on Apr 14, 2023 5:53:47 GMT
White officers controlling a black brigade wearing Union uniforms were put to death along with the black soldiers. No POW option. Sure the north was racist. But I wouldn't compare it with the south. That was wrong, but not a large number. The Yankees' negligence resulted in tens of thousands of blacks starving or dying of disease.
Bondspeople who fled from slavery during and after the Civil War did not expect that their flight toward freedom would lead to sickness, disease, suffering, and death. But the war produced the largest biological crisis of the nineteenth century, and as historian Jim Downs reveals in this groundbreaking volume, it had deadly consequences for hundreds of thousands of freed people.
Paleo tries to make the case that slavery was OK because the enslaved were healthier. Of all the stupid shit you come up with, this one is at or near the top.
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Post by thor on Apr 14, 2023 5:55:26 GMT
Wow, you are a glutton for getting your ass launched skyward, aren't you?
I destroyed your 3/5ths assertion by pointing out correctly that the populations of those new state were small, thus making Senators far more important in that era. Your thousand states fantasy is meaningless in this context.
And the 3/5ths WAS a Northern interest....it was their agreement to a compromise after SOUTHERN INTERESTS wanted to count slaves as a whole person while NORTHERN INTERESTS wanted slaves not to count as people at all.
But I do understand your whiny tantrum above.....I embarrassed you by proving what you had stupidly denied.....that the number of Senators, not the U.S. house members was the primary issue in the era before the War Between the States.
Looks like the balls that are getting kicked are yours after all.
So far I've not left the ground. But you're high as hell on bullshit. Let's review; you said all this US union stuff was just peachy until about 1850. There were three states admitted to the union between 1850 and 1860; California (1850), Minnesota (1858) and Oregon (1859). The population of CA in 1850 was 92,000. In 1860 the population was 287,000 and I'd say most of those people were white or Chinese....Oregon, just 12,000 in 1850. Here again, almost certainly all white or Chinese. Minnesota in 1850, only 6,000, again, almost certainly all white. So, it looks like the 3/5 of a person concept didn't really matter during the ten years preceding the civil war. Each of those new states got two US Senators, but I bet they got more than two US House representatives. So which is more important? And if there were a thousand states there would still be more House members than the two thousand Senators. Here's 1850 US census data. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1850_United_States_census#State_rankings Show me how the designation of slaves as 3/5 of a person is in any way a "northern interest." Notice the population figures. The north had more population even if slaves were counted as whole persons. The 3/5 thing is a southern interest, not a northern one. Your attempt to make it one is laughable. Have you forgotten that this 3/5 thing had been around since before the ratification of the Constitution? I'm not embarrassed at all. I just proved again that House members are more important than Senators, except in places like Rhode Island, New Jersey, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, Maryland.....all northern states. What about that? Looks like Senators are an advantage way up north. Not so much down south. Are you embarrassed yet? Sure. You just keep on believing that. It's always funny when the entire board starts dunking on Paleo...
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Post by runswithscissors on Apr 14, 2023 12:18:48 GMT
So far I've not left the ground. But you're high as hell on bullshit. Let's review; you said all this US union stuff was just peachy until about 1850. There were three states admitted to the union between 1850 and 1860; California (1850), Minnesota (1858) and Oregon (1859). The population of CA in 1850 was 92,000. In 1860 the population was 287,000 and I'd say most of those people were white or Chinese....Oregon, just 12,000 in 1850. Here again, almost certainly all white or Chinese. Minnesota in 1850, only 6,000, again, almost certainly all white. So, it looks like the 3/5 of a person concept didn't really matter during the ten years preceding the civil war. Each of those new states got two US Senators, but I bet they got more than two US House representatives. So which is more important? And if there were a thousand states there would still be more House members than the two thousand Senators. Here's 1850 US census data. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1850_United_States_census#State_rankings Show me how the designation of slaves as 3/5 of a person is in any way a "northern interest." Notice the population figures. The north had more population even if slaves were counted as whole persons. The 3/5 thing is a southern interest, not a northern one. Your attempt to make it one is laughable. Have you forgotten that this 3/5 thing had been around since before the ratification of the Constitution? I'm not embarrassed at all. I just proved again that House members are more important than Senators, except in places like Rhode Island, New Jersey, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, Maryland.....all northern states. What about that? Looks like Senators are an advantage way up north. Not so much down south. Are you embarrassed yet? Sure. You just keep on believing that. It's always funny when the entire board starts dunking on Paleo... I would comment on the reasons Reconstruction failed, but I just don't think I can take having to read some moronic screed about how it failed because of things northern Republicans did or didn't do instead of it failing because of southern Democrats and Lincoln's racist successor. So I won't mention anything about Reconstruction.
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Post by runswithscissors on Apr 14, 2023 12:40:18 GMT
I suppose some will be celebrating this day since it's the day a partisan shot and killed Lincoln in 1865
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Post by Paleocon on Apr 14, 2023 13:08:39 GMT
British shipping interests, and English colonizers of North America are the ones who bought and transported the slaves to the world. And bought those slaves from Africans selling their own people. So did France and Spain. Millions dropped off in Brazil by Spanish and Portuguese. Only 5% of enslaved blacks were ever brought to North America. But the UK made a fortune getting them there.
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Post by thor on Apr 14, 2023 13:25:56 GMT
So did France and Spain. Millions dropped off in Brazil by Spanish and Portuguese. Only 5% of enslaved blacks were ever brought to North America. But the UK made a fortune getting them there. The UK eventually voluntarily outlawed slavery and the slave trade. CSA was established to preserve and expand the practice. Poor Paleo....dunked on again....
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Post by Paleocon on Apr 15, 2023 14:12:46 GMT
But their were eleven states were in the group that you are currently smearing, not just the subset. And the secession documents were only about secession, not the war. But an elitist tirade in the form of a declaration has no power in law....it's just politics. When the actual founding documents were created by the representatives of all of the Southern states, a far different picture emerged.
Of course modern historians are punished. This historian was pounded for simply arguing that "an unsettling number of academic historians have allowed their political views in the present to shape and distort their interpretations of the past." THAT'S ALL HE DID....and he was attacked by the leftist authoritarian brats that want to do just that and forced to apologize.
Sweet offered a gentle criticism of the New York Times’s 1619 Project as evidence of this pattern. Many historians embraced the 1619 Project for its political messages despite substantive flaws of fact and interpretation in its content. Sweet thus asked: “As journalism, the project is powerful and effective, but is it history?”
Within moments of his column appearing online, all hell broke loose on Twitter.
Incensed at even the mildest suggestion that politicization is undermining the integrity of historical scholarship, the activist wing of the history profession showed up on the AHA’s thread and began demanding Sweet’s cancellation.
One day after the offending article went live, the AHA tweeted out a “public apology” from Sweet. It reads like a forced confession statement, acknowledging the “harm” and “damage” allegedly caused by simply raising questions about the politicization of scholarship toward overtly ideological activist ends.
Only an idiot thinks that the punishment wouldn't be worse if any historian failed to worship the Northern lies about the South. Stop being so stupidly naive and ignorant.
I'm only "smearing" them because they were fighting to keep black people as property. Secession led to the war, as most of these southern idiots must have foreseen. Too much bluster, not enough brains. And as I said before, by their actions they ended slavery before it would have ended otherwise. Think there might have been overlap between the people responsible for the secession declarations and the representatives who voted for the Confederate Constitution, which just by mere coincidence made slavery legal? What a shocker. One historian complaining about parts of the 1619 project and getting pushback is not the same as southern historians agreeing that slavery was the main cause of the Civil War. How have they been punished? They are not northern lies about the south. They are accepted history in both north and south, accepted except for a small number of Lost Causers who live in their own topsy turvy world. You're getting worse than Bama Beau....learn to format so that your posts don't look like you vomited on the forum.
And it's both dishonest and historically stupid to claim that "they were fighting to keep black people as property", especially after I've repeatedly schooled you on the fact that that was never true.
The Confederate Constitution mirrored the U.S. Constitution, which....what a shocker....made slavery legal and that same U.S. Constitution REMAINED UNCHANGED UNTIL 1865! Lincoln didn't even interfere with slaveholding in any state that remained in the Union.
Very few historians dare to question the Northern lies because their careers in academia would be over (and yes, they are all lies and propaganda, whether "accepted" by the cowards in the history establishment or not).
If you want to be a lemming and continue to believe your brainwashed Northern lies, that's up to you. An intelligent person would see the flaws and dishonesty in those propaganda accounts of history. The only question that remains is....are you an intelligent person?
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Post by Paleocon on Apr 15, 2023 14:16:47 GMT
Only 5% of enslaved blacks were ever brought to North America. But the UK made a fortune getting them there. The UK eventually voluntarily outlawed slavery and the slave trade. CSA was established to preserve and expand the practice. Poor Paleo....dunked on again.... Poor thor...has to tell these lies, followin his lies with yet another moronic meme/gif because he's too stupid to realize the truth. The U.S. VOLUNTARILY outlawed the slave trade as well, and the U.S Congress, NOT THE CSA, passed a Constitutional amendment in March 1861 to "preserve and expand the practice" of slavery. You're a joke here, Dinky....get relevant or get lost. It's always funny when the entire board starts dunking on Paleo... I'm good at multitasking....kicking the asses of liberals is my specialty....I can easily do the same to multiple dumbasses that don't know history Paleo tries to make the case that slavery was OK because the enslaved were healthier. Of all the stupid shit you come up with, this one is at or near the top. You're never honest on this forum, are you? It's a lie to say that I claimed the slavery is "OK", but the historical fact remains that the invading Union filth, not Confederates, were responsible for tens of thousands of deaths among blacks that came to them for help and protection. Are you too f*cking stupid to handle the truth?
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Post by Paleocon on Apr 15, 2023 14:23:47 GMT
British shipping interests, and English colonizers of North America are the ones who bought and transported the slaves to the world. And bought those slaves from Africans selling their own people. Gosh! Really??? English AND British? Wow. Was it English or British vessels that stopped the slave trade to America? Take your time. No rush. The U.S. stopped the slave trade to America in 1807.
In 1807, the U.S. Congress passed a statute prohibiting the importation of slaves as of the first constitutionally-allowable moment of January 1, 1808. This act was signed by President Jefferson and entered into force in 1808....
And I didn't mean to get you triggered over using multiple names for various limeys in history. I didn't realize you might be susceptible to becoming a snowflake.
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Post by limey² on Apr 15, 2023 14:48:19 GMT
So did France and Spain. Millions dropped off in Brazil by Spanish and Portuguese. Only 5% of enslaved blacks were ever brought to North America. But the UK made a fortune getting them there. The UK didn't; the owners of the businesses did. In a pre-democracy age, of course, "the UK" was a nation in which very few people had a political voice. As Thor points out, although British commercialinterests enthusiastically enriched themselves through slavery, at a later date, the national elites did a 180° turn (largely for religious reasons( and spent a generation or two, and eye-watering sums, and thousa of lives, stamping out the slave trade. Tgey even fought some small wars against African and Arab tribes/nations who wanted slave trading to continue.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2023 14:59:12 GMT
Took four long years to bring the traitors to heel. Greg The traitors won that war, remember? The Southern heroes lost, but their cause was and still is right. Greg, those Sutherners knew that we were headed for ALL subjugation by the federal government, all thanks to Lincoln and his Northern filth. And that's where we are today....that's why Fort Sumter is still so important. Lincoln destroyed this nation in 1865.....and we've been left with its corpse, dreading the day when the stench becomes overpowering.
We are in the modern age of Augustus Caesar, being told the same Roman lie that the Republic still exists.
You don't need to keep reminding us that you're scum. We know that already.
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Post by Paleocon on Apr 15, 2023 15:00:35 GMT
Only 5% of enslaved blacks were ever brought to North America. But the UK made a fortune getting them there. The UK didn't; the owners of the businesses did. In a pre-democracy age, of course, "the UK" was a nation in which very few people had a political voice. As Thor points out, although British commercialinterests enthusiastically enriched themselves through slavery, at a later date, the national elites did a 180° turn (largely for religious reasons( and spent a generation or two, and eye-watering sums, and thousa of lives, stamping out the slave trade. Tgey even fought some small wars against African and Arab tribes/nations who wanted slave trading to continue. So, the wealth of those business owners never ever enriched the UK government at all? Shipping protected and defended by the British Navy?
Thanks for pointing out that "African and Arab tribes/nations wanted slave trading to continue".
Condolences to the UK as they head into their post-democracy age.
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Post by Paleocon on Apr 15, 2023 15:01:58 GMT
The traitors won that war, remember? The Southern heroes lost, but their cause was and still is right. Greg, those Sutherners knew that we were headed for ALL subjugation by the federal government, all thanks to Lincoln and his Northern filth. And that's where we are today....that's why Fort Sumter is still so important. Lincoln destroyed this nation in 1865.....and we've been left with its corpse, dreading the day when the stench becomes overpowering.
We are in the modern age of Augustus Caesar, being told the same Roman lie that the Republic still exists.
You don't need to keep reminding us that you're scum. We know that already. You do realize that your credibility here is so low that normal folks read what you say and assume the opposite is true, don't you?
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Post by thor on Apr 15, 2023 17:44:18 GMT
The UK eventually voluntarily outlawed slavery and the slave trade. CSA was established to preserve and expand the practice. Poor Paleo....dunked on again.... Poor thor...has to tell these lies, followin his lies with yet another moronic meme/gif because he's too stupid to realize the truth. The U.S. VOLUNTARILY outlawed the slave trade as well, and the U.S Congress, NOT THE CSA, passed a Constitutional amendment in March 1861 to "preserve and expand the practice" of slavery. You're a joke here, Dinky....get relevant or get lost. It's always funny when the entire board starts dunking on Paleo... I'm good at multitasking....kicking the asses of liberals is my specialty....I can easily do the same to multiple dumbasses that don't know history Paleo tries to make the case that slavery was OK because the enslaved were healthier. Of all the stupid shit you come up with, this one is at or near the top. You're never honest on this forum, are you? It's a lie to say that I claimed the slavery is "OK", but the historical fact remains that the invading Union filth, not Confederates, were responsible for tens of thousands of deaths among blacks that came to them for help and protection. Are you too f*cking stupid to handle the truth? Poor Paleo Self-owns. Again.
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Post by Paleocon on Apr 15, 2023 19:23:14 GMT
Poor thor...has to tell these lies, followin his lies with yet another moronic meme/gif because he's too stupid to realize the truth. The U.S. VOLUNTARILY outlawed the slave trade as well, and the U.S Congress, NOT THE CSA, passed a Constitutional amendment in March 1861 to "preserve and expand the practice" of slavery. You're a joke here, Dinky....get relevant or get lost.
I'm good at multitasking....kicking the asses of liberals is my specialty....I can easily do the same to multiple dumbasses that don't know history
You're never honest on this forum, are you? It's a lie to say that I claimed the slavery is "OK", but the historical fact remains that the invading Union filth, not Confederates, were responsible for tens of thousands of deaths among blacks that came to them for help and protection.
Are you too f*cking stupid to handle the truth?
Poor Paleo Self-owns. Again. Poor Dick Junky Thor.....too stupid to realize that he's our biggest loser.
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