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Post by Paleocon on Apr 11, 2023 18:21:30 GMT
On April 12th, 1861... 162 years ago.....Confederate forces in the sovereign and independent state of South Carolina defended themselves against the terroristic threats from armed Union occupiers that were infesting the unfinished (and long unoccupied) Fort Sumter.
For four long months after the legal secession of South Carolina, the Confederates had asked these foreign invaders to leave peacefully.
During that same period, right up to the week previous to April 12th, the Confederates had actually supplied food to the fort's occupants, despite the fact that the Yankees had their cannon trained on the sovereign waters and defenses of their very patient hosts.
After Lincoln's promise to the S.C. Governor that the Yankees would force the harbor with an armed convoy (first Union ship arrived at 3 am on the 12th), the Confederates were finally forced, after four months of seeking a peaceful solution, to end the illegal Northern menace with the April 12th barrage. No one was killed on either side during the bombardment. Actually, the Union commander, Major Anderson, killed the first Yankees of the war by insisting on a 100 gun salute after the surrender. During the salute, two of his own Yankee troops in the fort were killed. On this day, remember all of those brave Southern soldiers and their defense of their homes and their rights against the Yankee occupiers and against Dear Leader Lincoln, who was determined to subjugate anyone who dared to break away from the overreach of the monstrous central authority that he dreamed of creating (he succeeded). And now you know.....the rest of the story (apologies to Paul Harvey). History sure is messy and complex, ain't it, ya'll? |
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Post by Greg55_99 on Apr 11, 2023 18:26:39 GMT
Took four long years to bring the traitors to heel.
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Post by Paleocon on Apr 11, 2023 18:57:58 GMT
Took four long years to bring the traitors to heel. Greg The traitors won that war, remember? The Southern heroes lost, but their cause was and still is right. Greg, those Sutherners knew that we were headed for ALL subjugation by the federal government, all thanks to Lincoln and his Northern filth. And that's where we are today....that's why Fort Sumter is still so important. Lincoln destroyed this nation in 1865.....and we've been left with its corpse, dreading the day when the stench becomes overpowering.
We are in the modern age of Augustus Caesar, being told the same Roman lie that the Republic still exists.
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Post by Greg55_99 on Apr 11, 2023 19:08:22 GMT
Took four long years to bring the traitors to heel. Greg The traitors won that war, remember? The Southern heroes lost, but their cause was and still is right. Greg, those Sutherners knew that we were headed for ALL subjugation by the federal government, all thanks to Lincoln and his Northern filth. And that's where we are today....that's why Fort Sumter is still so important. Lincoln destroyed this nation in 1865.....and we've been left with its corpse, dreading the day when the stench becomes overpowering.
We are in the modern age of Augustus Caesar, being told the same Roman lie that the Republic still exists.
After bringing the Southern trash to heel, 3.9 million human beings were freed from bondage in forced labor camps. Greg |
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Post by Paleocon on Apr 11, 2023 20:13:36 GMT
The traitors won that war, remember? The Southern heroes lost, but their cause was and still is right. Greg, those Sutherners knew that we were headed for ALL subjugation by the federal government, all thanks to Lincoln and his Northern filth. And that's where we are today....that's why Fort Sumter is still so important. Lincoln destroyed this nation in 1865.....and we've been left with its corpse, dreading the day when the stench becomes overpowering.
We are in the modern age of Augustus Caesar, being told the same Roman lie that the Republic still exists.
After bringing the Southern trash to heel, 3.9 million human beings were freed from bondage in forced labor camps. Greg No, 3.9 million human beings were left behind by the Yankees to fend for themselves. More blacks died under Union control than ever did under the Confederates. The only trash in this story are the minions of the Union and those still supporting that disgusting Lincoln filth today.
Did you realize that almost all of the ex-slaves were forced to stay in the South until the early 20th century because the racist North wouldn't allow them to move North?
Tyrant Lincoln would have loved mindless, brainwashed followers like you, Greg. Just his type.
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Post by Greg55_99 on Apr 11, 2023 20:15:43 GMT
After bringing the Southern trash to heel, 3.9 million human beings were freed from bondage in forced labor camps. Greg No, 3.9 million human beings were left behind by the Yankees to fend for themselves. More blacks died under Union control than ever did under the Confederates. The only trash in this story are the minions of the Union and those still supporting that disgusting Lincoln filth today.
Did you realize that almost all of the ex-slaves were forced to stay in the South until the early 20th century because the racist North wouldn't allow them to move North?
Tyrant Lincoln would have loved mindless, brainwashed followers like you, Greg. Just his type.
I look at it this way. My ancestors were the slaves. YOURS were the slavers. No matter what, I'll say this. "Thanks Mr Lincoln. You did us a solid". Greg |
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Post by thecitizen on Apr 11, 2023 20:18:30 GMT
After bringing the Southern trash to heel, 3.9 million human beings were freed from bondage in forced labor camps. Greg No, 3.9 million human beings were left behind by the Yankees to fend for themselves. More blacks died under Union control than ever did under the Confederates. The only trash in this story are the minions of the Union and those still supporting that disgusting Lincoln filth today.
Did you realize that almost all of the ex-slaves were forced to stay in the South until the early 20th century because the racist North wouldn't allow them to move North?
Tyrant Lincoln would have loved mindless, brainwashed followers like you, Greg. Just his type.
LOL, poor Paleocon. He still glorifies the war of southern aggression. Get over it. Your ancestors lost |
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Post by Greg55_99 on Apr 11, 2023 20:19:14 GMT
No, 3.9 million human beings were left behind by the Yankees to fend for themselves. More blacks died under Union control than ever did under the Confederates. The only trash in this story are the minions of the Union and those still supporting that disgusting Lincoln filth today.
Did you realize that almost all of the ex-slaves were forced to stay in the South until the early 20th century because the racist North wouldn't allow them to move North?
Tyrant Lincoln would have loved mindless, brainwashed followers like you, Greg. Just his type.
LOL, poor Paleocon. He still glorifies the war of southern aggression. Get over it. Your ancestors lost Thankfully. Greg |
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Post by HolyMoly on Apr 11, 2023 20:53:13 GMT
I get a kick out of that scene in The Great Santini where his wife and kids start singing Dixie and Duvall tells them
to stop singing it because it's a losers' song. Still is.
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Post by Paleocon on Apr 11, 2023 20:57:55 GMT
No, 3.9 million human beings were left behind by the Yankees to fend for themselves. More blacks died under Union control than ever did under the Confederates. The only trash in this story are the minions of the Union and those still supporting that disgusting Lincoln filth today.
Did you realize that almost all of the ex-slaves were forced to stay in the South until the early 20th century because the racist North wouldn't allow them to move North?
Tyrant Lincoln would have loved mindless, brainwashed followers like you, Greg. Just his type.
LOL, poor Paleocon. He still glorifies the war of southern aggression. Get over it. Your ancestors lost Only the king of the dumbasses, Wads, is stupid enough to idiotically call it the war of Southern Aggression. It's astounding how dumb you are. The invaders/the aggressors in that war were always the Union troops and leaders.
The South lost, but they were absolutely right in what they were fighting for and what they were fighting against (and it was never about slavery) The North was not.
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Post by Paleocon on Apr 11, 2023 21:05:34 GMT
I get a kick out of that scene in The Great Santini where his wife and kids start singing Dixie and Duvall tells them to stop singing it because it's a losers' song. Still is. So, you get your history from a fictional drunk piece of jingoistic trash that beats his kids in a movie?
Despite its loss, the South was right, so Dixie is the song of those who were the heroes. Your kind of garbage Northern propaganda will never change that fact.
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Post by Greg55_99 on Apr 11, 2023 21:06:51 GMT
I get a kick out of that scene in The Great Santini where his wife and kids start singing Dixie and Duvall tells them to stop singing it because it's a losers' song. Still is. So, you get your history from a fictional drunk piece of jingoistic trash that beats his kids in a movie?
Despite its loss, the South was right, so Dixie is the song of those who were the heroes. Your kind of garbage Northern propaganda will never change that fact.
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Post by thecitizen on Apr 11, 2023 21:08:12 GMT
LOL, poor Paleocon. He still glorifies the war of southern aggression. Get over it. Your ancestors lost Only the king of the dumbasses, Wads, is stupid enough to idiotically call it the war of Southern Aggression. It's astounding how dumb you are. The invaders/the aggressors in that war were always the Union troops and leaders.
The South lost, but they were absolutely right in what they were fighting for and what they were fighting against (and it was never about slavery) The North was not.
So RWNJs like yourself don’t like science and don’t like history. Most historians refer to the civil war as the war of southern aggression www.nybooks.com/articles/1989/01/19/the-war-of-southern-aggression/ |
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Post by HolyMoly on Apr 11, 2023 21:17:07 GMT
So, you get your history from a fictional drunk piece of jingoistic trash that beats his kids in a movie?
Despite its loss, the South was right, so Dixie is the song of those who were the heroes. Your kind of garbage Northern propaganda will never change that fact.
No, I just get a laugh out of that scene. The reason the south went to war was to keep the institution of slavery alive and well. That's what they were fighting for. The big wheels in the south even gave that as the reason for leaving the Union in most of their secession declarations. Bad news for folks who pretend that slavery wasn't the reason for secession. That is a fact that can't be changed no matter how hard neo-Confeds try to do so. |
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Post by Greg55_99 on Apr 11, 2023 21:18:05 GMT
So, you get your history from a fictional drunk piece of jingoistic trash that beats his kids in a movie?
Despite its loss, the South was right, so Dixie is the song of those who were the heroes. Your kind of garbage Northern propaganda will never change that fact.
No, I just get a laugh out of that scene. The reason the south went to war was to keep the institution of slavery alive and well. That's what they were fighting for. The big wheels in the south even gave that as the reason for leaving the Union in most of their secession declarations. Bad news for folks who pretend that slavery wasn't the reason for secession. That is a fact that can't be changed no matter how hard neo-Confeds try to do so. Oh Lord. Don't get him started.... Greg |
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Post by HolyMoly on Apr 11, 2023 21:29:52 GMT
Oh Lord. Don't get him started.... Greg I'd feel worse, but I'm guessing it doesn't take much to get his paleo motor running. |
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Post by Paleocon on Apr 11, 2023 21:30:40 GMT
So, you get your history from a fictional drunk piece of jingoistic trash that beats his kids in a movie?
Despite its loss, the South was right, so Dixie is the song of those who were the heroes. Your kind of garbage Northern propaganda will never change that fact.
No, I just get a laugh out of that scene. The reason the south went to war was to keep the institution of slavery alive and well. That's what they were fighting for. The big wheels in the south even gave that as the reason for leaving the Union in most of their secession declarations. Bad news for folks who pretend that slavery wasn't the reason for secession. That is a fact that can't be changed no matter how hard neo-Confeds try to do so. That's not only untrue, it's stupidly and laughably wrong. No, the South did not go to war over slavery, nor was the war over slavery. There were only four declarations of causes and one of them (South Carolina), the documented cause only spoke of slavery 20%; the rest were other causes and grievances.
That's three out of eleven seceded states. You lose and you will every time you engage me on this topic.
How long have you been brainwashed? Did they empty your head of just history, or was it a complete dump?
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Post by HolyMoly on Apr 11, 2023 22:00:24 GMT
That's not only untrue, it's stupidly and laughably wrong. No, the South did not go to war over slavery, nor was the war over slavery. There were only four declarations of causes and one of them (South Carolina), the documented cause only spoke of slavery 20%; the rest were other causes and grievances.
That's three out of eleven seceded states. You lose and you will every time you engage me on this topic.
How long have you been brainwashed? Did they empty your head of just history, or was it a complete dump?
Of course they went to war over slavery. Or the excuse of states rights, and the right they wanted to retain was the right to own other humans. They were also mad because of Lincoln's election due to the mistaken assumption that Lincoln wanted to abolish slavery. The other three states mentioned slavery more often than SC. Maybe SC had more liars in it. You lose, other neo-Confeds lose just like the South lost. Just a bunch of sore losers and racists. |
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Post by thor on Apr 12, 2023 0:27:01 GMT
On April 12th, 1861... 162 years ago.....Confederate forces in the sovereign and independent state of South Carolina defended themselves against the terroristic threats from armed Union occupiers that were infesting the unfinished (and long unoccupied) Fort Sumter.
For four long months after the legal secession of South Carolina, the Confederates had asked these foreign invaders to leave peacefully.
During that same period, right up to the week previous to April 12th, the Confederates had actually supplied food to the fort's occupants, despite the fact that the Yankees had their cannon trained on the sovereign waters and defenses of their very patient hosts.
After Lincoln's promise to the S.C. Governor that the Yankees would force the harbor with an armed convoy (first Union ship arrived at 3 am on the 12th), the Confederates were finally forced, after four months of seeking a peaceful solution, to end the illegal Northern menace with the April 12th barrage. No one was killed on either side during the bombardment. Actually, the Union commander, Major Anderson, killed the first Yankees of the war by insisting on a 100 gun salute after the surrender. During the salute, two of his own Yankee troops in the fort were killed. On this day, remember all of those brave Southern soldiers and their defense of their homes and their rights against the Yankee occupiers and against Dear Leader Lincoln, who was determined to subjugate anyone who dared to break away from the overreach of the monstrous central authority that he dreamed of creating (he succeeded). And now you know.....the rest of the story (apologies to Paul Harvey). History sure is messy and complex, ain't it, ya'll? What the 'Christian' Paleo is glorifying............and what his ancestors fought for:  |
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Post by Paleocon on Apr 12, 2023 0:28:40 GMT
That's not only untrue, it's stupidly and laughably wrong. No, the South did not go to war over slavery, nor was the war over slavery. There were only four declarations of causes and one of them (South Carolina), the documented cause only spoke of slavery 20%; the rest were other causes and grievances.
That's three out of eleven seceded states. You lose and you will every time you engage me on this topic.
How long have you been brainwashed? Did they empty your head of just history, or was it a complete dump?
Of course they went to war over slavery. Or the excuse of states rights, and the right they wanted to retain was the right to own other humans. They were also mad because of Lincoln's election due to the mistaken assumption that Lincoln wanted to abolish slavery. The other three states mentioned slavery more often than SC. Maybe SC had more liars in it. You lose, other neo-Confeds lose just like the South lost. Just a bunch of sore losers and racists. What garbage. None of that is true, but we know we rarely get the truth from leftists, do we?
Nope, the war was not about slavery and it's historically ignorant to claim it was. Slavery was a part of it all, a fuse, a spark, a tipping point, but not what either secession or the war were primarily about. Objections to Lincoln went far deeper than your shallow tale about slavery; tariffs, infrastructure and government centralization were much bigger issues.
All you're doing is spewing your memorized Northern talking points. Do you not realize that you're being used as a lemming, a pawn.... as a mindless conduit for that simplistic narrative? After all, like a good little liberal, you've been trained/indoctrinated/brainwashed never to question the NARRATIVETM
And is math a challenge for you? Only three states out of ELEVEN with a slavery centered declaration and those few spoke of the causes of SECESSION, not the cause of the war. Just three....and that's supposed to represent the entire South's motivation....all based on your laughably thin "evidence" that you've evidently latched onto to massage your confirmation biases.
The only loser here is any leftist spewing false Yankee garbage who has either been brainwashed or isn't intelligent enough to seek out the truth. Because what you posted ain't it.
You lose, either way. But step up any time you want to be schooled on this subject. That I can do.
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