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Post by CadesCove on Feb 5, 2023 14:39:51 GMT
Please provide link to prove there were Chinese surveillance balloons over the United States and proof trump hid this from citizens.
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Post by demos on Feb 5, 2023 16:19:30 GMT
Quite possibly the worst time for this to happen.
In the past couple of weeks, you've had a U.S. Air Force general and a U.S. Congressman both stating that we could go to war with China by 2025. And then you look at the reaction to this from U.S. officials - specifically Congressmen.
It's seriously inflaming tensions when they don't need to be.
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Post by petep on Feb 5, 2023 16:56:33 GMT
Question.
We have a department of defense. There is congressional oversight. The Intel groups get all the same info the president gets.
I read the release that said the balloon poses no threat.
If this has happened in the past and the military took no action (Ie shooting it down). What changed this time. Why shoot it down. Why inform the public this time with a release but not in the past. Do these truly pose no threat - presumably all Intel gathered while over the states had already been transmitted. Is this just biden trying to act tough? Or was Congress and the dod and trump keeping us in the dark in the past.
Did they try to hide it. Or this time did the balloon get info we could not stop in time.
Lots of questions to be answered.
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Post by demos on Feb 5, 2023 17:25:33 GMT
If this has happened in the past and the military took no action (Ie shooting it down). What changed this time. Why shoot it down. Why inform the public this time with a release but not in the past. Do these truly pose no threat - presumably all Intel gathered while over the states had already been transmitted. Is this just biden trying to act tough? Or was Congress and the dod and trump keeping us in the dark in the past. It's possible the difference is that the balloon was spotted by civilians on the ground this time and it spread over social media, so it couldn't be ignored.
Congress has been briefed on previous activity according to the CNN article in the OP.
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Post by petep on Feb 5, 2023 18:15:26 GMT
If this has happened in the past and the military took no action (Ie shooting it down). What changed this time. Why shoot it down. Why inform the public this time with a release but not in the past. Do these truly pose no threat - presumably all Intel gathered while over the states had already been transmitted. Is this just biden trying to act tough? Or was Congress and the dod and trump keeping us in the dark in the past. It's possible the difference is that the balloon was spotted by civilians on the ground this time and it spread over social media, so it couldn't be ignored.
Congress has been briefed on previous activity according to the CNN article in the OP.
So it’s appearing this is common and a non issue and Biden decided to play tough guy and send up an f22 with a stinger. By the times it’s over the ocean any Intel over land would have been transmitted. Why would republicans scream to shoot it down if they knew it was a common occurrence. And why would biden shoot it down if we never have before. Seems more like a political stunt at this point.
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Post by thor on Feb 5, 2023 18:44:18 GMT
I heard a report stating that the US intelligence community has informed us that they are not doing any surveillance over China. Can't find the report right now, but it was good to hear that, you know? And if you believe that...
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Post by CadesCove on Feb 5, 2023 18:45:00 GMT
It's possible the difference is that the balloon was spotted by civilians on the ground this time and it spread over social media, so it couldn't be ignored.
Congress has been briefed on previous activity according to the CNN article in the OP.
So it’s appearing this is common and a non issue and Biden decided to play tough guy and send up an f22 with a stinger. By the times it’s over the ocean any Intel over land would have been transmitted. Why would republicans scream to shoot it down if they knew it was a common occurrence. And why would biden shoot it down if we never have before. Seems more like a political stunt at this point. It's adorable when you flail like a newborn kitten.
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Post by thor on Feb 5, 2023 18:47:59 GMT
And Biden’s homeland security says more illegals crossed under trump and there were more fentanyl deaths. But it’s a secret.
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Post by thor on Feb 5, 2023 18:48:52 GMT
Please provide link to prove there were Chinese surveillance balloons over the United States and proof trump hid this from citizens.
Pisspot got owned.
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Post by petep on Feb 5, 2023 18:49:24 GMT
It’s not distracting us from the economy and the border.
Nice try.
It’s been noted this is a common occurrence. As the pentagon said a non threat.
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Post by Fiddler on Feb 5, 2023 18:58:33 GMT
It's possible the difference is that the balloon was spotted by civilians on the ground this time and it spread over social media, so it couldn't be ignored.
Congress has been briefed on previous activity according to the CNN article in the OP.
Why would republicans scream to shoot it down if they knew it was a common occurrence. And why would biden shoot it down if we never have before. Seems more like a political stunt at this point.
Lordy.. Stop P.. just stop.. My sides are hurting..
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Post by oldtrapper on Feb 5, 2023 19:01:48 GMT
It’s not distracting us from the economy and the border. Nice try. It’s been noted this is a common occurrence. As the pentagon said a non threat. Strange how the mind of the low IQ PissPot works. First you whine,m and cry, that Biden should have shot the balloon down over Alaska, or even Canada, when it was not seen until it got to Montana. Now that it has been shown your cowardly lying gawd ignored the same balloons when they crossed over during his tenure everything is okay.
And later you will whine again about how Biden should have shot it down.
Pathetic little hypocrite you are.
Then too, your gawd is a "stable genius" like you.
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Post by thor on Feb 5, 2023 19:04:03 GMT
Why would republicans scream to shoot it down if they knew it was a common occurrence. And why would biden shoot it down if we never have before. Seems more like a political stunt at this point.
Lordy.. Stop P.. just stop.. My sides are hurting..
That's our Pisspot. Always looking for something to be terrified or outraged about.
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Post by Fiddler on Feb 5, 2023 19:10:04 GMT
Lordy.. Stop P.. just stop.. My sides are hurting..
That's our Pisspot. Always looking for something to be terrified or outraged about. Sure.. the fake outrage we've come to expect from the deplorables ..
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Post by oldtrapper on Feb 5, 2023 19:18:28 GMT
Lordy.. Stop P.. just stop.. My sides are hurting..
That's our Pisspot. Always looking for something to be terrified or outraged about. Only if it involves a Democrat.
His gawds of the right get a free pass.
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Post by jasmine on Feb 5, 2023 20:46:48 GMT
I don’t have slanty eyes. Are you Hapa? No, as far as I know.
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Post by demos on Feb 6, 2023 15:37:13 GMT
So it’s appearing this is common and a non issue and Biden decided to play tough guy and send up an f22 with a stinger. It's not a "non issue" but it isn't something that demands the reaction we're seeing. What intel do you think that balloon is getting that China couldn't get from a satellite which is most assuredly flying over right now. It's just a more visible manifestation of that. Same reason Republicans scream about deficits and debts when they aren't in power. Are we pretending we don't understand partisan domestic politics now?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2023 16:27:10 GMT
Please provide link to prove there were Chinese surveillance balloons over the United States and proof trump hid this from citizens.
I'm going to do you a favor atreyu, before I go back to that other thread with a flamethrower and burn the wreckage of some burned bridges I deliberately and with malice took a flamethrower to a few years ago.
Not one of the links you just shared is what a historian would call "a primary source."
The only primary source in this story so far is Mike Pompeo.
Do you understand what this means? Do you understand what I'm saying? Have you enough experience and/or training in these issues and these practices to even understand the problem posed by this and how your and the people in the pew next to yous' sanctimonious responses look exactly like Christian sanctimony because you're at the beginning stages of forming a religious belief?
In this day and age ... leftists ... sharing the words of intelligence bureaus 3 to 7 years after the fact as gospel. Oh my stars and garters. Any berth in a storm eh? This is what it's like to live at the end of a golden age.
Having said that, this thread is literally the first I am giving a shit about the nonstory balloon story. And it's only because a friend pointed me here saying there were amusing things within.
Are you intelligent enough to understand that I'm not even disagreeing with your position when I point this out? History says not. But I'm always open to ... miracles.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2023 16:29:29 GMT
So it’s appearing this is common and a non issue and Biden decided to play tough guy and send up an f22 with a stinger. It's not a "non issue" but it isn't something that demands the reaction we're seeing. What intel do you think that balloon is getting that China couldn't get from a satellite which is most assuredly flying over right now. It's just a more visible manifestation of that. Same reason Republicans scream about deficits and debts when they aren't in power. Are we pretending we don't understand partisan domestic politics now?
Now you know why the weather has been so shitty and why there've been so many Chinese bots sharing memes about climate change tearing apart the American body politic!
You're welcome!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2023 16:40:23 GMT
My bad. It appears there's another primary source in the mix. From one of the links.
The revelation startled Mark Esper, the former president's own Secretary of Defense, who said he was never made aware of such incidents
The plot thickens.
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