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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2022 11:05:16 GMT
It's a pretty common understanding among the intelligentsia that men and women approach the world differently. That they think differently. It's been the fare of standup comedians since the creation of the art form. Self help books are written about how "Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus." Men don't talk and don't listen. Women want to talk out problems. An entire industry for marital councilors is predicated on the idea of helping men and women in marriages "communicate."
I have consistently across my 2 decades of posting here been the most vocal poster on the boards about the plight of women across the world. I've linked to "Woman is the N*** of the world" so often in conversations related to the subject that I sometimes see the lyrics when I close my eyes to goto bed at night.
I grew up in a family of strong women and have never understood the culture I see coming from Hollywood like "Mad Men" (my father's generation) where men treat women as props. I don't even know any families that have that kind of relationship in their homes in my Midwestern culture. My role models are men in their 90s dancing every weekend at get togethers who clears the table after family dinners and washes the dishes. Men who do the cooking. Men who do the housework while their wives run the businesses. Every woman in my family of my parents' generation was a business owner. I spent a few years as a single parent and have often been mocked even here on the boards for my fondness for "snuggling" with my children.
So the idea that there's a big difference between the way men and women think is somewhat difficult for me to wrap my head around. And when I try ... it has unintended consequences.
Like I can't help but notice the prominent position of women in dealing with "strong men" cultures like Russia, Saudi Arabia, China, Iran, etc. Since the Ukraine war really took off this year I can't browse to the boards without running into someone sharing an article by Fiona Hill. Victoria Nuland features prominently in the current Russia/Ukraine breakdown.
So it leads me to uncomfortable thoughts. Like:
How much of our current chaos across the world can be attributed to women in our state department and intelligence services making mistakes in analyzing the way the men in charge of these backwards shithole countries with their male-centric cultures think, leading our representatives to get bad information about their intentions and leading them to make decisions that exacerbate the problem?
Dropping that into the cracked function machine that makes up a standard leftist mind it will probably pop out as a "So you're saying women have no place in diplomacy??? YOU BASTARD!"
No. I'm saying maybe our "experts" running point on how someone like Vladimir Putin or BDM or wtfever they call that guy from Saudi Arabia thinks shouldn't be women? Plenty of room for women to lead projects working with Western cultures that are run by people who care about women's insights. But maybe it's detrimental to national security (and Ukrainian security) to have women telling our leadership what tinpot dipshits in backwards cultures around the world will do?
Can't wait to see what passes for discussion on this one.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2022 11:16:53 GMT
Nancy Pelosi's antics vis a vis Taiwan come to mind as well.
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Post by petep on Oct 18, 2022 11:27:22 GMT
I once attended a presentation put on by a neurosurgeon who studied physiological differences in men and woman and how that makes them “think” and act differently.
Women have far more connections between the right and left side of the brain. And after dinner, most of a males neural activity is in the autonomic function areas of the brain while females are firing all over.
Of course I’m sure there are exceptions but it was staggering to see the significance of the physiological differences when studied under an mri.
You couldn’t help but walk away thinking men are more blunt instruments while women are complex thinkers. Generalizations of course but the patterns across large samples were undeniable.
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Post by johnnybgood on Oct 18, 2022 11:34:48 GMT
Men have two job. Fertilize and protect. Women have more natural instincts. If women could get pregnant without men, we wouldn't have any purpose. Men go online looking up how to care for a baby. Women don't need anything.
Works the same way for women with penises. You don't need the penis. (Although, we don't need any women with penises right now)
Hope they don't find a flower with the same thing on it as male sperm.
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Post by Paleocon on Oct 18, 2022 13:26:15 GMT
It's a pretty common understanding among the intelligentsia that men and women approach the world differently. That they think differently. It's been the fare of standup comedians since the creation of the art form. Self help books are written about how "Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus." Men don't talk and don't listen. Women want to talk out problems. An entire industry for marital councilors is predicated on the idea of helping men and women in marriages "communicate."
I have consistently across my 2 decades of posting here been the most vocal poster on the boards about the plight of women across the world. I've linked to "Woman is the N*** of the world" so often in conversations related to the subject that I sometimes see the lyrics when I close my eyes to goto bed at night.
I grew up in a family of strong women and have never understood the culture I see coming from Hollywood like "Mad Men" (my father's generation) where men treat women as props. I don't even know any families that have that kind of relationship in their homes in my Midwestern culture. My role models are men in their 90s dancing every weekend at get togethers who clears the table after family dinners and washes the dishes. Men who do the cooking. Men who do the housework while their wives run the businesses. Every woman in my family of my parents' generation was a business owner. I spent a few years as a single parent and have often been mocked even here on the boards for my fondness for "snuggling" with my children.
So the idea that there's a big difference between the way men and women think is somewhat difficult for me to wrap my head around. And when I try ... it has unintended consequences.
Like I can't help but notice the prominent position of women in dealing with "strong men" cultures like Russia, Saudi Arabia, China, Iran, etc. Since the Ukraine war really took off this year I can't browse to the boards without running into someone sharing an article by Fiona Hill. Victoria Nuland features prominently in the current Russia/Ukraine breakdown.
So it leads me to uncomfortable thoughts. Like:
How much of our current chaos across the world can be attributed to women in our state department and intelligence services making mistakes in analyzing the way the men in charge of these backwards shithole countries with their male-centric cultures think, leading our representatives to get bad information about their intentions and leading them to make decisions that exacerbate the problem?
Dropping that into the cracked function machine that makes up a standard leftist mind it will probably pop out as a "So you're saying women have no place in diplomacy??? YOU BASTARD!"
No. I'm saying maybe our "experts" running point on how someone like Vladimir Putin or BDM or wtfever they call that guy from Saudi Arabia thinks shouldn't be women? Plenty of room for women to lead projects working with Western cultures that are run by people who care about women's insights. But maybe it's detrimental to national security (and Ukrainian security) to have women telling our leadership what tinpot dipshits in backwards cultures around the world will do?
Can't wait to see what passes for discussion on this one.
I know it feels like the edge of the cliff in this woke nightmare, but it's really encouraging that we are finally coming back to the reality that there are significant differences between males and females that go beyond the physical.
Women have always been the voice of sanity and reason when men are going savage. What's ironic is that in Biden's administration that pretends to be all in for women, the jingoistic elements have sunk us deeply into a conflict in Ukraine rather than the mediators of peace and negotiation to put a stop to it. The calming attitudes of women in diplomacy is sorely lacking.
But, yes, I would agree that sometimes a male perspective is vital in dealing with many third world situations as well as larger regimes like China and Russia.
A good taste of those differing attitudes can be seen in the military recruiting videos of the U.S., China and Russia. The Chicoms and Putin's minions have very masculine portrayals of their service, while the U.S. "troops" might as well trade in their helmets for pink pussy hats.
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Post by freonbale on Oct 18, 2022 13:52:22 GMT
It's a pretty common understanding among the intelligentsia that men and women approach the world differently. That they think differently. It's been the fare of standup comedians since the creation of the art form. Self help books are written about how "Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus." Men don't talk and don't listen. Women want to talk out problems. An entire industry for marital councilors is predicated on the idea of helping men and women in marriages "communicate."
I have consistently across my 2 decades of posting here been the most vocal poster on the boards about the plight of women across the world. I've linked to "Woman is the N*** of the world" so often in conversations related to the subject that I sometimes see the lyrics when I close my eyes to goto bed at night.
I grew up in a family of strong women and have never understood the culture I see coming from Hollywood like "Mad Men" (my father's generation) where men treat women as props. I don't even know any families that have that kind of relationship in their homes in my Midwestern culture. My role models are men in their 90s dancing every weekend at get togethers who clears the table after family dinners and washes the dishes. Men who do the cooking. Men who do the housework while their wives run the businesses. Every woman in my family of my parents' generation was a business owner. I spent a few years as a single parent and have often been mocked even here on the boards for my fondness for "snuggling" with my children.
So the idea that there's a big difference between the way men and women think is somewhat difficult for me to wrap my head around. And when I try ... it has unintended consequences.
Like I can't help but notice the prominent position of women in dealing with "strong men" cultures like Russia, Saudi Arabia, China, Iran, etc. Since the Ukraine war really took off this year I can't browse to the boards without running into someone sharing an article by Fiona Hill. Victoria Nuland features prominently in the current Russia/Ukraine breakdown.
So it leads me to uncomfortable thoughts. Like:
How much of our current chaos across the world can be attributed to women in our state department and intelligence services making mistakes in analyzing the way the men in charge of these backwards shithole countries with their male-centric cultures think, leading our representatives to get bad information about their intentions and leading them to make decisions that exacerbate the problem?
Dropping that into the cracked function machine that makes up a standard leftist mind it will probably pop out as a "So you're saying women have no place in diplomacy??? YOU BASTARD!"
No. I'm saying maybe our "experts" running point on how someone like Vladimir Putin or BDM or wtfever they call that guy from Saudi Arabia thinks shouldn't be women? Plenty of room for women to lead projects working with Western cultures that are run by people who care about women's insights. But maybe it's detrimental to national security (and Ukrainian security) to have women telling our leadership what tinpot dipshits in backwards cultures around the world will do?
Can't wait to see what passes for discussion on this one.
Like you, I only had strong women in my life, and the idea that a woman is less capable than a man, in anything but lifting heavy objects, is absurd to me. It is offensive, even. Your conclusion only has merit if the sexes are incapable of understanding each other AND if only one sex is doing the analysis for those machismo-dominated countries. Are these your assumptions? Freon |
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Post by petep on Oct 18, 2022 13:56:30 GMT
Freon, have you ever been to the Middle East? How about east or west Africa. How about Eastern Europe. Heck, Russia especially
Women are treated like 3rd class citizens.
I’m fact much of the planet treats women that way. The us, Canada, western and north Europe are the exception.
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Post by thor on Oct 18, 2022 14:00:07 GMT
It's a pretty common understanding among the intelligentsia that men and women approach the world differently. That they think differently. It's been the fare of standup comedians since the creation of the art form. Self help books are written about how "Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus." Men don't talk and don't listen. Women want to talk out problems. An entire industry for marital councilors is predicated on the idea of helping men and women in marriages "communicate."
I have consistently across my 2 decades of posting here been the most vocal poster on the boards about the plight of women across the world. I've linked to "Woman is the N*** of the world" so often in conversations related to the subject that I sometimes see the lyrics when I close my eyes to goto bed at night.
I grew up in a family of strong women and have never understood the culture I see coming from Hollywood like "Mad Men" (my father's generation) where men treat women as props. I don't even know any families that have that kind of relationship in their homes in my Midwestern culture. My role models are men in their 90s dancing every weekend at get togethers who clears the table after family dinners and washes the dishes. Men who do the cooking. Men who do the housework while their wives run the businesses. Every woman in my family of my parents' generation was a business owner. I spent a few years as a single parent and have often been mocked even here on the boards for my fondness for "snuggling" with my children.
So the idea that there's a big difference between the way men and women think is somewhat difficult for me to wrap my head around. And when I try ... it has unintended consequences.
Like I can't help but notice the prominent position of women in dealing with "strong men" cultures like Russia, Saudi Arabia, China, Iran, etc. Since the Ukraine war really took off this year I can't browse to the boards without running into someone sharing an article by Fiona Hill. Victoria Nuland features prominently in the current Russia/Ukraine breakdown.
So it leads me to uncomfortable thoughts. Like:
How much of our current chaos across the world can be attributed to women in our state department and intelligence services making mistakes in analyzing the way the men in charge of these backwards shithole countries with their male-centric cultures think, leading our representatives to get bad information about their intentions and leading them to make decisions that exacerbate the problem?
Dropping that into the cracked function machine that makes up a standard leftist mind it will probably pop out as a "So you're saying women have no place in diplomacy??? YOU BASTARD!"
No. I'm saying maybe our "experts" running point on how someone like Vladimir Putin or BDM or wtfever they call that guy from Saudi Arabia thinks shouldn't be women? Plenty of room for women to lead projects working with Western cultures that are run by people who care about women's insights. But maybe it's detrimental to national security (and Ukrainian security) to have women telling our leadership what tinpot dipshits in backwards cultures around the world will do?
Can't wait to see what passes for discussion on this one.
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Post by thor on Oct 18, 2022 14:01:01 GMT
It's a pretty common understanding among the intelligentsia that men and women approach the world differently. That they think differently. It's been the fare of standup comedians since the creation of the art form. Self help books are written about how "Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus." Men don't talk and don't listen. Women want to talk out problems. An entire industry for marital councilors is predicated on the idea of helping men and women in marriages "communicate."
I have consistently across my 2 decades of posting here been the most vocal poster on the boards about the plight of women across the world. I've linked to "Woman is the N*** of the world" so often in conversations related to the subject that I sometimes see the lyrics when I close my eyes to goto bed at night.
I grew up in a family of strong women and have never understood the culture I see coming from Hollywood like "Mad Men" (my father's generation) where men treat women as props. I don't even know any families that have that kind of relationship in their homes in my Midwestern culture. My role models are men in their 90s dancing every weekend at get togethers who clears the table after family dinners and washes the dishes. Men who do the cooking. Men who do the housework while their wives run the businesses. Every woman in my family of my parents' generation was a business owner. I spent a few years as a single parent and have often been mocked even here on the boards for my fondness for "snuggling" with my children.
So the idea that there's a big difference between the way men and women think is somewhat difficult for me to wrap my head around. And when I try ... it has unintended consequences.
Like I can't help but notice the prominent position of women in dealing with "strong men" cultures like Russia, Saudi Arabia, China, Iran, etc. Since the Ukraine war really took off this year I can't browse to the boards without running into someone sharing an article by Fiona Hill. Victoria Nuland features prominently in the current Russia/Ukraine breakdown.
So it leads me to uncomfortable thoughts. Like:
How much of our current chaos across the world can be attributed to women in our state department and intelligence services making mistakes in analyzing the way the men in charge of these backwards shithole countries with their male-centric cultures think, leading our representatives to get bad information about their intentions and leading them to make decisions that exacerbate the problem?
Dropping that into the cracked function machine that makes up a standard leftist mind it will probably pop out as a "So you're saying women have no place in diplomacy??? YOU BASTARD!"
No. I'm saying maybe our "experts" running point on how someone like Vladimir Putin or BDM or wtfever they call that guy from Saudi Arabia thinks shouldn't be women? Plenty of room for women to lead projects working with Western cultures that are run by people who care about women's insights. But maybe it's detrimental to national security (and Ukrainian security) to have women telling our leadership what tinpot dipshits in backwards cultures around the world will do?
Can't wait to see what passes for discussion on this one.
I know it feels like the edge of the cliff in this woke nightmare, but it's really encouraging that we are finally coming back to the reality that there are significant differences between males and females that go beyond the physical.
Women have always been the voice of sanity and reason when men are going savage. What's ironic is that in Biden's administration that pretends to be all in for women, the jingoistic elements have sunk us deeply into a conflict in Ukraine rather than the mediators of peace and negotiation to put a stop to it. The calming attitudes of women in diplomacy is sorely lacking.
But, yes, I would agree that sometimes a male perspective is vital in dealing with many third world situations as well as larger regimes like China and Russia.
A good taste of those differing attitudes can be seen in the military recruiting videos of the U.S., China and Russia. The Chicoms and Putin's minions have very masculine portrayals of their service, while the U.S. "troops" might as well trade in their helmets for pink pussy hats.
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Post by Fiddler on Oct 18, 2022 14:15:37 GMT
Freon, have you ever been to the Middle East? How about east or west Africa. How about Eastern Europe. Heck, Russia especially Women are treated like 3rd class citizens. I’m fact much of the planet treats women that way. The us, Canada, western and north Europe are the exception.
Yes.. In deeply Conservative countries vs mostly Liberal .. But that really isn't what the OP is about ..
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2022 14:32:58 GMT
It's a pretty common understanding among the intelligentsia that men and women approach the world differently. That they think differently. It's been the fare of standup comedians since the creation of the art form. Self help books are written about how "Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus." Men don't talk and don't listen. Women want to talk out problems. An entire industry for marital councilors is predicated on the idea of helping men and women in marriages "communicate."
I have consistently across my 2 decades of posting here been the most vocal poster on the boards about the plight of women across the world. I've linked to "Woman is the N*** of the world" so often in conversations related to the subject that I sometimes see the lyrics when I close my eyes to goto bed at night.
I grew up in a family of strong women and have never understood the culture I see coming from Hollywood like "Mad Men" (my father's generation) where men treat women as props. I don't even know any families that have that kind of relationship in their homes in my Midwestern culture. My role models are men in their 90s dancing every weekend at get togethers who clears the table after family dinners and washes the dishes. Men who do the cooking. Men who do the housework while their wives run the businesses. Every woman in my family of my parents' generation was a business owner. I spent a few years as a single parent and have often been mocked even here on the boards for my fondness for "snuggling" with my children.
So the idea that there's a big difference between the way men and women think is somewhat difficult for me to wrap my head around. And when I try ... it has unintended consequences.
Like I can't help but notice the prominent position of women in dealing with "strong men" cultures like Russia, Saudi Arabia, China, Iran, etc. Since the Ukraine war really took off this year I can't browse to the boards without running into someone sharing an article by Fiona Hill. Victoria Nuland features prominently in the current Russia/Ukraine breakdown.
So it leads me to uncomfortable thoughts. Like:
How much of our current chaos across the world can be attributed to women in our state department and intelligence services making mistakes in analyzing the way the men in charge of these backwards shithole countries with their male-centric cultures think, leading our representatives to get bad information about their intentions and leading them to make decisions that exacerbate the problem?
Dropping that into the cracked function machine that makes up a standard leftist mind it will probably pop out as a "So you're saying women have no place in diplomacy??? YOU BASTARD!"
No. I'm saying maybe our "experts" running point on how someone like Vladimir Putin or BDM or wtfever they call that guy from Saudi Arabia thinks shouldn't be women? Plenty of room for women to lead projects working with Western cultures that are run by people who care about women's insights. But maybe it's detrimental to national security (and Ukrainian security) to have women telling our leadership what tinpot dipshits in backwards cultures around the world will do?
Can't wait to see what passes for discussion on this one.
Like you, I only had strong women in my life, and the idea that a woman is less capable than a man, in anything but lifting heavy objects, is absurd to me. It is offensive, even. Your conclusion only has merit if the sexes are incapable of understanding each other AND if only one sex is doing the analysis for those machismo-dominated countries. Are these your assumptions? Freon
I'm not making assumptions. Frankly freon, I'm doing everything I can to not point out to petep that he just made the best argument for providing gender affirming drugs and surgeries to children. If their brains are scientifically measurable as being from a different sex ... what's the opposition?
Frankly, if a scientist examined my and my wife's brains without knowing which was which, I have very little doubt they would assume my brain is the wife's and my wife's is the husband's. Our brains are influenced by environment in strange and fascinating ways and I don't think random sampling brain scans are very illustrative of those strange and fascinating ways.
I'm curious to see what develops from a discussion on the matter is all. Because as I've explained, I don't think there's any merit to brain scans proving men and women are different.
Do you suppose men are easily influenced by women? Would the analysis of men carry as much weight for those machismo-dominated countries or would it be seen as "mansplaining" given the culture that dominates our bureaucracies?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2022 14:34:27 GMT
Freon, have you ever been to the Middle East? How about east or west Africa. How about Eastern Europe. Heck, Russia especially Women are treated like 3rd class citizens. I’m fact much of the planet treats women that way. The us, Canada, western and north Europe are the exception. Seems time for another one of these.
I swear the lyrics are emblazoned on my eyelids. Every time I lay down to sleep and close my eyes I see them.
Just kidding. I don't close my eyes to sleep. When you can't hear the bats, that's when you know the bats are coming.
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Post by freonbale on Oct 18, 2022 14:40:10 GMT
Like you, I only had strong women in my life, and the idea that a woman is less capable than a man, in anything but lifting heavy objects, is absurd to me. It is offensive, even. Your conclusion only has merit if the sexes are incapable of understanding each other AND if only one sex is doing the analysis for those machismo-dominated countries. Are these your assumptions? Freon
I'm not making assumptions. Frankly freon, I'm doing everything I can to not point out to petep that he just made the best argument for providing gender affirming drugs and surgeries to children. If their brains are scientifically measurable as being from a different sex ... what's the opposition?
Frankly, if a scientist examined my and my wife's brains without knowing which was which, I have very little doubt they would assume my brain is the wife's and my wife's is the husband's. Our brains are influenced by environment in strange and fascinating ways and I don't think random sampling brain scans are very illustrative of those strand and fascinating ways.
I'm curious to see what develops from a discussion on the matter is all. Because as I've explained, I don't think there's any merit to brain scans proving men and women are different.
Do you suppose men are easily influenced by women? Would the analysis of men carry as much weight for those machismo-dominated countries or would it be seen as "mansplaining" given the culture that dominates our bureaucracies?
I just don't agree that you are even asking the correct questions. I hear assumptions based on anecdotal 'common sense', I hear misunderstanding of science, and of course, intrinsic bias (but not directly on the topic being discussed). If the genuine concern is that women are making analyses of situations that are male dominated, and this results in an inaccurate view of the situation, then the first question I would ask is if previous analyses, arguably mostly by men, were any better. And looking at our foreign policy of the past, it's hard to argue that they were. On the flip side, because analyses of today are coming from both genders (though still, not even remotely equally), we at least have 'another set of eyes', looking at problems, which, imo, is hard to argue is impacting our decisions negatively. Freon |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2022 14:44:51 GMT
I'm not making assumptions. Frankly freon, I'm doing everything I can to not point out to petep that he just made the best argument for providing gender affirming drugs and surgeries to children. If their brains are scientifically measurable as being from a different sex ... what's the opposition?
Frankly, if a scientist examined my and my wife's brains without knowing which was which, I have very little doubt they would assume my brain is the wife's and my wife's is the husband's. Our brains are influenced by environment in strange and fascinating ways and I don't think random sampling brain scans are very illustrative of those strand and fascinating ways.
I'm curious to see what develops from a discussion on the matter is all. Because as I've explained, I don't think there's any merit to brain scans proving men and women are different.
Do you suppose men are easily influenced by women? Would the analysis of men carry as much weight for those machismo-dominated countries or would it be seen as "mansplaining" given the culture that dominates our bureaucracies?
I just don't agree that you are even asking the correct questions. I hear assumptions based on anecdotal 'common sense', I hear misunderstanding of science, and of course, intrinsic bias (but not directly on the topic being discussed). If the genuine concern is that women are making analyses of situations that are male dominated, and this results in an inaccurate view of the situation, then the first question I would ask is if previous analyses, arguably mostly by men, were any better. And looking at our foreign policy of the past, it's hard to argue that they were. On the flip side, because analyses of today are coming from both genders (though still, not even remotely equally), we at least have 'another set of eyes', looking at problems, which, imo, is hard to argue is impacting our decisions negatively. Freon Did our foreign policy of the past when women weren't in key roles at the State and Intelligence departments lead to the complete collapse of the liberal world order and escalating rhetoric about World War III? Remind me when that happened.
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Post by freonbale on Oct 18, 2022 14:53:18 GMT
I just don't agree that you are even asking the correct questions. I hear assumptions based on anecdotal 'common sense', I hear misunderstanding of science, and of course, intrinsic bias (but not directly on the topic being discussed). If the genuine concern is that women are making analyses of situations that are male dominated, and this results in an inaccurate view of the situation, then the first question I would ask is if previous analyses, arguably mostly by men, were any better. And looking at our foreign policy of the past, it's hard to argue that they were. On the flip side, because analyses of today are coming from both genders (though still, not even remotely equally), we at least have 'another set of eyes', looking at problems, which, imo, is hard to argue is impacting our decisions negatively. Freon Did our foreign policy of the past when women weren't in key roles at the State and Intelligence departments lead to the complete collapse of the liberal world order and escalating rhetoric about World War III? Remind me when that happened.
I don't need to. Because there would be no 'rhetoric about WWIII', if there had been no WWI and II. And those two ACTUAL world wars, were exclusively the result of male decisions. What about that little nugget of fact, hmmm? Freon |
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Post by petep on Oct 18, 2022 14:54:35 GMT
Though, in combat women can add a great deal - allison black - ally - was an air force ac-130 gunship pilot during enduring freedom...she provided a lot of cover for spec ops units...and they all assumed she was a guy because she would fly so low and was deadly....naval command was especially pissed when the navy provided support and the spec forces started telling command to send back the stud that had been supporting them from the air force and not these scared fliers who wont get in the fight... when they learned it was a woman, they started letting them - the enemy men - know it was a woman doing the shelling via radi and psy ops...and they even let her do some transmitting on open frequencies just to rattle them... the feedback was it was very disturbing to the arab men to be crushed by a woman fighter... They do a nice write up about her in the book the hunt for bin laden.. www.legion.org/washingtonconference/98498/they-called-her-angel-death |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2022 14:57:47 GMT
Did our foreign policy of the past when women weren't in key roles at the State and Intelligence departments lead to the complete collapse of the liberal world order and escalating rhetoric about World War III? Remind me when that happened.
I don't need to. Because there would be no 'rhetoric about WWIII', if there had been no WWI and II. And those two ACTUAL world wars, were exclusively the result of male decisions. What about that little nugget of fact, hmmm? Freon
And the winning of WWI and WWII were exclusively the result of male decisions. And the collapse of the Soviet Union was due exclusively to male decisions. And the building of a 70 year liberal world order that (if Steven Pinker is to be believed) did more to eradicate human misery around the world than anything before or since was exclusively the result of male decisions.
Then women got involved and we're looking at the complete collapse of the liberal world order those men built, and what looks like is going to wind up being an embarrassing defeat for the West and a new world divided in two after women like Fiona Hill and Victoria Nuland got involved in making the decisions.
Now what?
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Post by freonbale on Oct 18, 2022 15:11:37 GMT
I don't need to. Because there would be no 'rhetoric about WWIII', if there had been no WWI and II. And those two ACTUAL world wars, were exclusively the result of male decisions. What about that little nugget of fact, hmmm? Freon
And the winning of WWI and WWII were exclusively the result of male decisions. And the collapse of the Soviet Union was due exclusively to male decisions. And the building of a 70 year liberal world order that (if Steven Pinker is to be believed) did more to eradicate human misery around the world than anything before or since was exclusively the result of male decisions.
Then women got involved and we're looking at the complete collapse of the liberal world order those men built, and what looks like is going to wind up being an embarrassing defeat for the West and a new world divided in two after women like Fiona Hill and Victoria Nuland got involved in making the decisions.
Now what?
So all those deaths, all that destruction, the use of atomic weapons, chemical warfare, were an acceptable price to pay for these perceived wins? You seriously view it that way? Freon |
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Post by petep on Oct 18, 2022 15:14:37 GMT
I'd say each play a role...to discount the role woman played being at home raising children, going to work when men were at war to keep things going at home, the radio listeners and code breakers...
Its a bit like saying a team won because of the quarterback - maybe...but the quarterback out there alone wouldnt do well
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Post by freonbale on Oct 18, 2022 15:17:33 GMT
I'd say each play a role...to discount the role woman played being at home raising children, going to work when men were at war to keep things going at home, the radio listeners and code breakers... Its a bit like saying a team won because of the quarterback - maybe...but the quarterback out there alone wouldnt do well This is about the decision makers, not the workforce. Freon |
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