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Post by Mercy for All on Jun 30, 2022 13:33:33 GMT
What if somebody’s religion or philosophy says that life doesn’t really begin until 6 months after birth? The baby is so helpless from 0-6 months, that they can’t possibly be considered a living thing. Can those people kill their baby? Or Do you force those people to eat kosher? BuTt WErTaBErTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111eleventyonezzzzz If people actually believe that, you might have a point. Your Bible is clear when life begins, Fobbit. I am setting you up for big fail here. Tread carefully. What if their philosophy says exactly that? Yes, there is a notable philosopher today who says something pretty similar. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2022 13:46:24 GMT
BuTt WErTaBErTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111eleventyonezzzzz If people actually believe that, you might have a point. Your Bible is clear when life begins, Fobbit. I am setting you up for big fail here. Tread carefully. What if their philosophy says exactly that? Yes, there is a notable philosopher today who says something pretty similar. What of it? You'll find people to say anything even the most outrageously stupid things. Just pick and choose. What if rabbit's philosophy says that he's a crypto-nazi and that he should bring it about with low grade sophistry applied to reason? Wait a minute, it looks like he would argue the exact same way he does... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2022 13:48:50 GMT
I grew up as a Jehovah’s Witness. They don’t believe in blood transfusions. Therefore no one can have blood transfusions. You did, eh? Would you be interested in sharing your personal journey out of that? Maybe on the Religion Forum? Perhaps someone could share his personal journey about how he realized the idiocy of your personal brand of superstition... Whatever that is. |
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Post by thor on Jun 30, 2022 16:09:51 GMT
BuTt WErTaBErTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111eleventyonezzzzz If people actually believe that, you might have a point. Your Bible is clear when life begins, Fobbit. I am setting you up for big fail here. Tread carefully. Lol! Oh no! Tell me more about my religion, Edgelord! Proposing hypotheticals is a good way to actually discuss an issue, by the way.  You don't know? Or are you smart enough to shut the fuck up? |
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Post by thor on Jun 30, 2022 16:16:55 GMT
BuTt WErTaBErTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111eleventyonezzzzz If people actually believe that, you might have a point. Your Bible is clear when life begins, Fobbit. I am setting you up for big fail here. Tread carefully. What if their philosophy says exactly that? Yes, there is a notable philosopher today who says something pretty similar. You need to go to a school run by Jesuits, because you are really bad at defending your faith. |
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Post by rabbitreborn on Jun 30, 2022 16:25:07 GMT
Lol! Oh no! Tell me more about my religion, Edgelord! Proposing hypotheticals is a good way to actually discuss an issue, by the way. You don't know? Or are you smart enough to shut the fuck up? I’m so excited right now for the Adam reference. Oh man. This is spectacular. |
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Post by thor on Jun 30, 2022 16:28:40 GMT
You don't know? Or are you smart enough to shut the fuck up? I’m so excited right now for the Adam reference. Oh man. This is spectacular. Show us. |
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Post by rabbitreborn on Jun 30, 2022 17:52:19 GMT
I’m so excited right now for the Adam reference. Oh man. This is spectacular. Show us. I live to serve, Head Injury. This is your moment. Seize it. Carpe Neanderthorum. |
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Post by Mercy for All on Jun 30, 2022 18:44:18 GMT
What if their philosophy says exactly that? Yes, there is a notable philosopher today who says something pretty similar. You need to go to a school run by Jesuits, because you are really bad at defending your faith. You need to...uh...go to school. I'm not "defending my faith" here. It's not just "religion" that tells people what to do. Your infantile rejection of something as "religiously inspired" is ridiculous. The source is not the point. If something is wrong, it's wrong, whether it's "religiously inspired," philosophically inspired, or inspired by some bad weed. www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/19/peter-singer-event-cancelled-in-new-zealand-after-outcry-over-disability-stanceNow, I'm not even arguing at this point that Peter Singer is wrong (although I'd be happy to do so); the point is that he is basically saying what rabbitreborn suggested someone might say and it was not inspired by religion. |
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Post by wyattstorch on Jun 30, 2022 19:22:07 GMT
Someone replying to the above... linkbut, but, but MURDER BABIES! I get to tell you when life starts, and I get to tell you that you are a murderer, and I get to tell you that I am righteous and good and everyone else must do as I say. #2024VoteDonald4God Freon
Does the logic behind this only apply to everyone who has an opinion in favor of state enforced protection of rights? Or does it even apply to those who favor non-government enforcement, like self-defense?
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Post by thor on Jun 30, 2022 20:03:40 GMT
I live to serve, Head Injury. This is your moment. Seize it. Carpe Neanderthorum. So you don't know what the Bible says. OK. |
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Post by rabbitreborn on Jun 30, 2022 20:27:13 GMT
I live to serve, Head Injury. This is your moment. Seize it. Carpe Neanderthorum. So you don't know what the Bible says. OK. You’re the one that brought up the Bible, Thorest Gump. Tell me what it says. I don’t rely on the Bible to defend my pro life position. If you can find me doing so, please share it. |
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Post by thor on Jun 30, 2022 20:31:14 GMT
So you don't know what the Bible says. OK. You’re the one that brought up the Bible, Thorest Gump. Tell me what it says. I don’t rely on the Bible to defend my pro life position. If you can find me doing so, please share it. It most definitely doesn't say what you think it does. You can start with Genesis. And move on to your God's slaughter of the human race except for seven people. And more besides. You get your 'morality' from that shit? |
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Post by freonbale on Jun 30, 2022 20:37:00 GMT
but, but, but MURDER BABIES! I get to tell you when life starts, and I get to tell you that you are a murderer, and I get to tell you that I am righteous and good and everyone else must do as I say. #2024VoteDonald4God Freon
Does the logic behind this only apply to everyone who has an opinion in favor of state enforced protection of rights? Or does it even apply to those who favor non-government enforcement, like self-defense?
Can you be more specific. The logic behind what, specifically. Freon |
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Post by rabbitreborn on Jun 30, 2022 20:38:37 GMT
You’re the one that brought up the Bible, Thorest Gump. Tell me what it says. I don’t rely on the Bible to defend my pro life position. If you can find me doing so, please share it. It most definitely doesn't say what you think it does. You can start with Genesis. And move on to your God's slaughter of the human race except for seven people. And more besides. You get your 'morality' from that shit? It's fascinating that in a discussion where I don't bring up the Bible at all, Simpleton Edgelords like thor feel the need to push the Bible into the conversation for no apparent reason other than to appear edgy and demean another's faith. |
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Post by wyattstorch on Jun 30, 2022 20:44:47 GMT
Does the logic behind this only apply to everyone who has an opinion in favor of state enforced protection of rights? Or does it even apply to those who favor non-government enforcement, like self-defense?
Can you be more specific. The logic behind what, specifically. Freon
Sure. I was referring to this comment: "I get to tell you when life starts, and I get to tell you that you are a murderer, and I get to tell you that I am righteous and good and everyone else must do as I say."
An attack on the idea of deciding when/where life begins. The "I get to tell you" part seems to be a clear reference to those favoring banning abortion. IE, "I get to tell you life begins at conception". But the logic seems equally applicable to those who support government mandates against murder. IE, "I get to tell you life begins (or at least exists with a right to not be terminated) at birth (and beyond)".
And almost equally applicable to someone who attempts to defend their right to live by killing their would-be killer. IE, "I get to decide when my life exists and when your right to attack it doesn't".
So it looks like this attack, when taken out of the specific instance of that decision being made, is an attack on any opinion regarding any decision of this type being made by any state authority, and possibly even private authority.
The broadness and universality, I think, makes it unsuitable as an argument against those that would hold an opinion on abortion.
As a side note, see how enjoyable this can be when we slow down and take a little back and forth and couple posts to flesh out an idea, rather than simply telling the other side they aren't worthy or similarly denouncing them?
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Post by thor on Jun 30, 2022 21:43:34 GMT
It most definitely doesn't say what you think it does. You can start with Genesis. And move on to your God's slaughter of the human race except for seven people. And more besides. You get your 'morality' from that shit? It's fascinating that in a discussion where I don't bring up the Bible at all, Simpleton Edgelords like thor feel the need to push the Bible into the conversation for no apparent reason other than to appear edgy and demean another's faith. Awwwww, you poor victim. |
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Post by freonbale on Jun 30, 2022 22:00:27 GMT
Can you be more specific. The logic behind what, specifically. Freon
Sure. I was referring to this comment: "I get to tell you when life starts, and I get to tell you that you are a murderer, and I get to tell you that I am righteous and good and everyone else must do as I say."
An attack on the idea of deciding when/where life begins. The "I get to tell you" part seems to be a clear reference to those favoring banning abortion. IE, "I get to tell you life begins at conception". But the logic seems equally applicable to those who support government mandates against murder. IE, "I get to tell you life begins (or at least exists with a right to not be terminated) at birth (and beyond)".
And almost equally applicable to someone who attempts to defend their right to live by killing their would-be killer. IE, "I get to decide when my life exists and when your right to attack it doesn't".
So it looks like this attack, when taken out of the specific instance of that decision being made, is an attack on any opinion regarding any decision of this type being made by any state authority, and possibly even private authority.
The broadness and universality, I think, makes it unsuitable as an argument against those that would hold an opinion on abortion.
As a side note, see how enjoyable this can be when we slow down and take a little back and forth and couple posts to flesh out an idea, rather than simply telling the other side they aren't worthy or similarly denouncing them?
I think you are focusing on the outcome, the actual position, instead of the more important part, which is that only one person or group gets to decide. I could care less what the outcome is. The ONLY thing that matters in a democracy is that we all have a say. Whether that happens at the city, state, or federal level, no single group should be able to completely get their way. And that is exactly what the pro-birthers want. They want ZERO abortions. That's not a negotiation with people who do, where we decide when life starts, that isn't at conception AND isn't when the baby pops out. It's somewhere in the middle, the literal definition of a compromise. So I cannot answer your question, because to me, it misses the point completely. Freon |
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Post by Mercy for All on Jun 30, 2022 22:05:55 GMT
Sure. I was referring to this comment: "I get to tell you when life starts, and I get to tell you that you are a murderer, and I get to tell you that I am righteous and good and everyone else must do as I say."
An attack on the idea of deciding when/where life begins. The "I get to tell you" part seems to be a clear reference to those favoring banning abortion. IE, "I get to tell you life begins at conception". But the logic seems equally applicable to those who support government mandates against murder. IE, "I get to tell you life begins (or at least exists with a right to not be terminated) at birth (and beyond)".
And almost equally applicable to someone who attempts to defend their right to live by killing their would-be killer. IE, "I get to decide when my life exists and when your right to attack it doesn't".
So it looks like this attack, when taken out of the specific instance of that decision being made, is an attack on any opinion regarding any decision of this type being made by any state authority, and possibly even private authority.
The broadness and universality, I think, makes it unsuitable as an argument against those that would hold an opinion on abortion.
As a side note, see how enjoyable this can be when we slow down and take a little back and forth and couple posts to flesh out an idea, rather than simply telling the other side they aren't worthy or similarly denouncing them?
I think you are focusing on the outcome, the actual position, instead of the more important part, which is that only one person or group gets to decide. I could care less what the outcome is. The ONLY thing that matters in a democracy is that we all have a say. Whether that happens at the city, state, or federal level, no single group should be able to completely get their way. And that is exactly what the pro-birthers want. They want ZERO abortions. That's not a negotiation with people who do, where we decide when life starts, that isn't at conception AND isn't when the baby pops out. It's somewhere in the middle, the literal definition of a compromise. So I cannot answer your question, because to me, it misses the point completely. Freon I don't know. I would qualify myself as a "pro-birther," but it seems to me that there have to be at least a couple of exceptions. |
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Post by freonbale on Jun 30, 2022 22:18:53 GMT
I think you are focusing on the outcome, the actual position, instead of the more important part, which is that only one person or group gets to decide. I could care less what the outcome is. The ONLY thing that matters in a democracy is that we all have a say. Whether that happens at the city, state, or federal level, no single group should be able to completely get their way. And that is exactly what the pro-birthers want. They want ZERO abortions. That's not a negotiation with people who do, where we decide when life starts, that isn't at conception AND isn't when the baby pops out. It's somewhere in the middle, the literal definition of a compromise. So I cannot answer your question, because to me, it misses the point completely. Freon I don't know. I would qualify myself as a "pro-birther," but it seems to me that there have to be at least a couple of exceptions. If you are willing to negotiate, then you are working towards a final resolution. Zero negotiation is a no-win scenario, which means it just wastes time. And wasting time, when the pendulum has swung to an excess of one position, is a corrupt strategy. Freon |
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