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Post by Odysseus on Aug 13, 2020 8:33:02 GMT
I saw Rutger Bregman, popular Dutch historian (who speaks excellent barely accented English) on Ammanpour the other night. The guy has some fascinating observations.
I didn't find a video of his interview on Ammanpour, but I did find this gem where Tucker Carlson loses it during an interview with Bregman...
Enjoy...
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Post by Odysseus on Aug 13, 2020 8:45:17 GMT
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Post by freonbale on Aug 13, 2020 14:19:03 GMT
I saw Rutger Bregman, popular Dutch historian (who speaks excellent barely accented English) on Ammanpour the other night. The guy has some fascinating observations.
I didn't find a video of his interview on Ammanpour, but I did find this gem where Tucker Carlson loses it during an interview with Bregman...
Enjoy...
True colors.
But deaf ears.
Freon
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Post by freonbale on Aug 13, 2020 14:43:11 GMT
Only listened to about 10 mins of this one, but I already disagree on one of the points.
Selfishness is presumed to be negative.
Whereas I feel selfishness is neither negative nor positive.
You can HARNESS selfishness in a negative way, but so too, you can harness it in a positive way.
As an example, when someone knocks on my door, and asks for money for some charity or something, I give because it makes me feel good. That makes what I did a selfish act, an act that benefited me, with the added consequence of helping someone else (a charity, in this case).
When we ignore our need to make ourselves feel good, through preserving our state of being, or acting within our code of ethics/values, and claim we do things purely altruistically, we blind ourselves to our real motivators, creating the delusion that we are something that we are not. I'm just being honest about it. And because I KNOW why I behave the way I do, and I KNOW why others do as well, I can adjust my own behaviors, and more easily predict and understand the behaviors of others.
This wisdom has been immensely useful in my career, and in my own personal growth.
Freon
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Post by Odysseus on Aug 13, 2020 15:47:20 GMT
Only listened to about 10 mins of this one, but I already disagree on one of the points.
Selfishness is presumed to be negative.
Whereas I feel selfishness is neither negative nor positive.
You can HARNESS selfishness in a negative way, but so too, you can harness it in a positive way.
As an example, when someone knocks on my door, and asks for money for some charity or something, I give because it makes me feel good. That makes what I did a selfish act, an act that benefited me, with the added consequence of helping someone else (a charity, in this case).
When we ignore our need to make ourselves feel good, through preserving our state of being, or acting within our code of ethics/values, and claim we do things purely altruistically, we blind ourselves to our real motivators, creating the delusion that we are something that we are not. I'm just being honest about it. And because I KNOW why I behave the way I do, and I KNOW why others do as well, I can adjust my own behaviors, and more easily predict and understand the behaviors of others.
This wisdom has been immensely useful in my career, and in my own personal growth.
Freon
If you feel good because you know you are helping someone else, it is not a selfish act.
And that is part of the point Bregman is making. Humans naturally want to help each other.
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