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Post by Fiddler on Mar 24, 2021 16:43:00 GMT
I found another Fizzle recording .. . ...
Pitch perfect again!😲
Yes .. This one exemplifies singing to European Standards ..
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Post by CadesCove on Mar 24, 2021 16:52:29 GMT
Yes .. This one exemplifies singing to European Standards ..
You do know they are 30 years ahead of us in .......something.... |
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Post by Fiddler on Mar 24, 2021 17:11:42 GMT
Yes .. This one exemplifies singing to European Standards ..
You do know they are 30 years ahead of us in .......something....
Music Schools.
They offer an advanced degree in Vociferation.
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Post by Mercy for All on Mar 24, 2021 17:49:11 GMT
I also had promotion from the guy who got Nightwish signed but no musicians wanted to tune down to C-sharp. Oh, you ignoramus. Tsk, tsk. Guitarists don't want to tune down to C-sharp on the fly because it wrecks both the action and the intonation of the guitar. You can get away with tuning down to D on a forgiving guitar, but C#? Tune down that far and you probably need to get the guitar re-setup. It has absolutely nothing to do with "skill" or "talent" or "fickleness." If a guitarist regularly tuned that low, they would likely keep one guitar permanently tuned that way. Further, many heavy metal guitarists make use of Floyd-Rose bridges. Retuning a guitar with a Floyd-Rose bridge takes at least 20 minutes, because every increase or decrease in tension on a single string immediately and significantly affects the tension on all the rest of the strings, effectively putting them out of tune. I mean, it does that with fixed bridges too, but the difference in tension is minute, because it's only really affecting the tension of the neck itself. Not only that, but correcting the intonation on a Floyd-Rose bridge is far more difficult than any of the other more traditional bridges. I'm surprised...given all your experience and expertise...that you don't know this. Those damned, dumb guitarists! |
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Post by Mercy for All on Mar 24, 2021 17:55:18 GMT
You know, I'll be honest, it's not really my style, but I finally did listen to the whole thing. I like the guitar work. The musical composition isn't bad.
You do have a powerful voice.
But you sing sharp, you're off beat; your vocal and musical arrogance are unwarranted. I try to be nicer when people "put their stuff out there" (because there's a fair it of vulnerability in that) but man, you are so arrogant that I think a little honesty is merited.
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Post by FEZZILLA on Mar 24, 2021 21:24:50 GMT
Yes .. This one exemplifies singing to European Standards ..
You do know they are 30 years ahead of us in .......something.... Ahead in music. Just music. Nothing else good comes out of Europe and even their music scene is drying up due to secularism which kills the soul of music and makes songs all sound generic, dull and lifeless. Asia and South America will probably become the new haven for music. |
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Post by FEZZILLA on Mar 24, 2021 21:37:21 GMT
You know, I'll be honest, it's not really my style, but I finally did listen to the whole thing. I like the guitar work. The musical composition isn't bad. You do have a powerful voice. But you sing sharp, you're off beat; your vocal and musical arrogance are unwarranted. I try to be nicer when people "put their stuff out there" (because there's a fair it of vulnerability in that) but man, you are so arrogant that I think a little honesty is merited. If I come across as arrogant then I do so only here because you all are arrogant and ignorant. You still think you are listening to a studio cut when its not a studio recording. It isn't even a demo. Did I make vocal mistakes in the song? Yes. I could point each of them out. Though again, its not a studio recording. Its a song that is just finished in the writing process. There are many stages in writing music when you deal with other musicians. As a vocalist, I have to listen to the guitar track and then feel it. I need to think of a melody. Once I can think up a melody then I write the lyrics to fit the mood of the melody so that there will be a marriage between the music, melody and the lyrics. That's how I write vocals. You can listen to many songs in this stage of writing and I can guarantee you that the singer will not sound as good as I did here. This is because Americans don't have the right inspiration and training to sing and scale the way I do. I'm not an American vocalist. If I was I'd have no lung power, no sound, no emotion, no nothing. I trained harder than any America since the fall of the American music industry. I had a much bigger goal then the typical American rock star. The world was my competition, my stage. But the American singer only sees America as his competition and stage. And I'm not sure where you get off beat from? Is there a section on the song where you could point this out? Just want to know what you mean. |
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Post by FEZZILLA on Mar 24, 2021 21:43:49 GMT
I also had promotion from the guy who got Nightwish signed but no musicians wanted to tune down to C-sharp. Oh, you ignoramus. Tsk, tsk. Guitarists don't want to tune down to C-sharp on the fly because it wrecks both the action and the intonation of the guitar. You can get away with tuning down to D on a forgiving guitar, but C#? Tune down that far and you probably need to get the guitar re-setup. It has absolutely nothing to do with "skill" or "talent" or "fickleness." If a guitarist regularly tuned that low, they would likely keep one guitar permanently tuned that way. Further, many heavy metal guitarists make use of Floyd-Rose bridges. Retuning a guitar with a Floyd-Rose bridge takes at least 20 minutes, because every increase or decrease in tension on a single string immediately and significantly affects the tension on all the rest of the strings, effectively putting them out of tune. I mean, it does that with fixed bridges too, but the difference in tension is minute, because it's only really affecting the tension of the neck itself. Not only that, but correcting the intonation on a Floyd-Rose bridge is far more difficult than any of the other more traditional bridges. I'm surprised...given all your experience and expertise...that you don't know this. Those damned, dumb guitarists! Standard E and even drop D are banned in metal music now and have been for 25 years. You want to sell metal music then you tune down to C, B, or A. Most metal bands today are tuned in A. But a vocal oriented band should tune to C sharp and not to drop C. Yes, a guitarist would have to keep his guitar in C. Most guitarists have more than one guitar so they have a guitar for all tunings. If you wanna play metal music today, whether in Europe or America, you better be tuned down or you will not sell a single record. Even Eddie Van Halen tuned down long ago. |
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Post by FEZZILLA on Mar 24, 2021 21:47:59 GMT
I found another Fizzle recording on YouTube.. . ...
 I never heard that one yet. I think the guitar and vocals are a good match here. I still like this one better.. |
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Post by FEZZILLA on Mar 24, 2021 21:52:08 GMT
Liberals are so hostile today you can just get your metal ideas from their speeches on youtube.
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Post by Mercy for All on Mar 24, 2021 22:06:06 GMT
You know, I'll be honest, it's not really my style, but I finally did listen to the whole thing. I like the guitar work. The musical composition isn't bad. You do have a powerful voice. But you sing sharp, you're off beat; your vocal and musical arrogance are unwarranted. I try to be nicer when people "put their stuff out there" (because there's a fair it of vulnerability in that) but man, you are so arrogant that I think a little honesty is merited. If I come across as arrogant then I do so only here because you all are arrogant and ignorant. You still think you are listening to a studio cut when its not a studio recording. Nope. You clarified that it wasn't one. I know what that sounds like. Pitch and tempo aren't determined by mixing and mastering. The guitar tracks were laid down before there was a melody? You guarantee that, eh? You forget that I've recorded before. You can't guarantee that. I've heard singers sound better. I'm not an American. As I said. I certainly don't have the training to sing off tempo and sharp. That's for sure. Not arrogant, eh? Maybe you're not. Maybe you're just delusional. If you insist. If/when I listen again, I'll make a note. |
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Post by Mercy for All on Mar 24, 2021 22:08:21 GMT
Oh, you ignoramus. Tsk, tsk. Guitarists don't want to tune down to C-sharp on the fly because it wrecks both the action and the intonation of the guitar. You can get away with tuning down to D on a forgiving guitar, but C#? Tune down that far and you probably need to get the guitar re-setup. It has absolutely nothing to do with "skill" or "talent" or "fickleness." If a guitarist regularly tuned that low, they would likely keep one guitar permanently tuned that way. Further, many heavy metal guitarists make use of Floyd-Rose bridges. Retuning a guitar with a Floyd-Rose bridge takes at least 20 minutes, because every increase or decrease in tension on a single string immediately and significantly affects the tension on all the rest of the strings, effectively putting them out of tune. I mean, it does that with fixed bridges too, but the difference in tension is minute, because it's only really affecting the tension of the neck itself. Not only that, but correcting the intonation on a Floyd-Rose bridge is far more difficult than any of the other more traditional bridges. I'm surprised...given all your experience and expertise...that you don't know this. Those damned, dumb guitarists! Standard E and even drop D are banned in metal music now and have been for 25 years. You want to sell metal music then you tune down to C, B, or A. Most metal bands today are tuned in A. But a vocal oriented band should tune to C sharp and not to drop C. Yes, a guitarist would have to keep his guitar in C. Most guitarists have more than one guitar so they have a guitar for all tunings. If you wanna play metal music today, whether in Europe or America, you better be tuned down or you will not sell a single record. Even Eddie Van Halen tuned down long ago. They're BANNED!? Um...what? Why C# and not C? Why is that "better"? A good vocalist can sing in any key. So you're complaining that the guitarist won't tune up? My argument is the same. If he's using a Floyd-Rose, it will take a long time. It's very possible a good guitarist is not going to retune just to acquiesce to the fickle demands of a vocalist. Especially if it's for a track that's not even going to be a demo. |
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Post by Mercy for All on Mar 24, 2021 22:09:20 GMT
You do know they are 30 years ahead of us in .......something.... Asia and South America will probably become the new haven for music. That could be. There's a whole lot of music being produced in Southeast Asia. |
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Post by FEZZILLA on Mar 24, 2021 22:16:43 GMT
If I come across as arrogant then I do so only here because you all are arrogant and ignorant. You still think you are listening to a studio cut when its not a studio recording. Nope. You clarified that it wasn't one. I know what that sounds like. Pitch and tempo aren't determined by mixing and mastering. The guitar tracks were laid down before there was a melody? You guarantee that, eh? You forget that I've recorded before. You can't guarantee that. I've heard singers sound better. I'm not an American. As I said. I certainly don't have the training to sing off tempo and sharp. That's for sure. Not arrogant, eh? Maybe you're not. Maybe you're just delusional. If you insist. If/when I listen again, I'll make a note. i didn't write the music. I did a little editing to the music to shorten the song that was originally 9 minutes long. The guitar track was written first. Then, when I agreed to do the song, the guitar was rewritten for time and vocals. Its certainly not the best way to write but it was the way this song was written. So I wrote the vocal melody after the guitar lines were already written. I prefer not to write songs that way as its better for guitarist and vocalist to work together, or for the vocalist to write the song. When I write my own song my vocals are at their best. This is because I know how to work the melodic stanzas to my taste. |
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Post by FEZZILLA on Mar 24, 2021 22:27:30 GMT
Asia and South America will probably become the new haven for music. That could be. There's a whole lot of music being produced in Southeast Asia. Yes. And the singers coming out of there are all virtuosos. All they need to do now is learn how to control their talent so that their music becomes more of a song and not a freak show. When they learn how to better harness that talent into a catchy melody then those singers will take off to the moon. Right now they are just being fancy and producing music that noticeably lacks a catchy melody. When it comes to virtuoso talent, a vocalist must learn how to harness that talent with discipline for the sake of the melody. A great singer is not just notes or scales. A great singer captures raw emotion and loves a great melody. The best bands ever in metal music that best used their talent to write great songs were Queensryche, The Gathering, Vuur and Nightwish. Those bands are extremely melodic and the vocalists are world class. I could add Iron Maiden, Kamelot, Nevermore, and Rhapsody too. |
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Post by FEZZILLA on Mar 24, 2021 22:39:29 GMT
Standard E and even drop D are banned in metal music now and have been for 25 years. You want to sell metal music then you tune down to C, B, or A. Most metal bands today are tuned in A. But a vocal oriented band should tune to C sharp and not to drop C. Yes, a guitarist would have to keep his guitar in C. Most guitarists have more than one guitar so they have a guitar for all tunings. If you wanna play metal music today, whether in Europe or America, you better be tuned down or you will not sell a single record. Even Eddie Van Halen tuned down long ago. They're BANNED!? Um...what? Why C# and not C? Why is that "better"? A good vocalist can sing in any key. So you're complaining that the guitarist won't tune up? My argument is the same. If he's using a Floyd-Rose, it will take a long time. It's very possible a good guitarist is not going to retune just to acquiesce to the fickle demands of a vocalist. Especially if it's for a track that's not even going to be a demo. I have sang to all keys. But a guitarist will usually have his own sound and preferred tuning. In metal music today, down tuning is mandatory. There is no more E and D tunings in metal music today. You're average American band now tunes in B flat or A. The guitar tuning is not the sole factor of your vocal range. The rhythm section, or how riffs are arranged when creating the stanzas, determine the vocal melody. So in the song Hold On you hear the vocal melody was already written before I heard the guitar track. This is because I have to obey the song and give what the stanzas allow me to give. That's why I gave it a Queensryche style melody. That's what I heard when I heard the track. In fact, upon first listen, I heard most of my vocal lines in the stanzas. But I place a priority on a rich melody which is why I agreed to do the song. The song does have a nice melody. It has mood and captures emotions. I sang with vulnerability, weakness in life, and triumphant in outcome. The original guitar track chorus line reminded me of an army marching triumphantly into Rome on elephants. I wanted to keep my elephants in the chorus but they were watered down some in the rewrite. |
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Post by Fiddler on Mar 25, 2021 14:25:00 GMT
They're BANNED!? Um...what? Why C# and not C? Why is that "better"? A good vocalist can sing in any key. So you're complaining that the guitarist won't tune up? My argument is the same. If he's using a Floyd-Rose, it will take a long time. It's very possible a good guitarist is not going to retune just to acquiesce to the fickle demands of a vocalist. Especially if it's for a track that's not even going to be a demo. I sang with vulnerability, weakness in life, and triumphant in outcome. The original guitar track chorus line reminded me of an army marching triumphantly into Rome on elephants. I wanted to keep my elephants in the chorus but they were watered down some in the rewrite. Fizzle.. I must say that your posts amount to the most detailed delusion I've ever read on a forum.
It's as if Faulkner or Updike wrote the biography of a tone deaf science illiterate.
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Post by Odysseus on Mar 25, 2021 14:34:54 GMT
I sang with vulnerability, weakness in life, and triumphant in outcome. The original guitar track chorus line reminded me of an army marching triumphantly into Rome on elephants. I wanted to keep my elephants in the chorus but they were watered down some in the rewrite. Fizzle.. I must say that your posts amount to the most detailed delusion I've ever read on a forum.
It's as if Faulkner or Updike wrote the biography of a tone deaf science illiterate.
What I find most impressive is that Fizzetta's keepers in whatever asylum he's been consigned to, allow him to create these dreck videos and post them on the internet.
I guess it's preferable to having him stick pins in his eyes. That can get messy, with a long clean-up and ward status report.
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Post by Odysseus on Mar 25, 2021 14:45:20 GMT
I found another Fizzle recording on YouTube.. . ...
Just perfect!
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Post by FEZZILLA on Mar 25, 2021 22:16:55 GMT
I sang with vulnerability, weakness in life, and triumphant in outcome. The original guitar track chorus line reminded me of an army marching triumphantly into Rome on elephants. I wanted to keep my elephants in the chorus but they were watered down some in the rewrite. Fizzle.. I must say that your posts amount to the most detailed delusion I've ever read on a forum.
It's as if Faulkner or Updike wrote the biography of a tone deaf science illiterate.
Well maybe you can post your own music and then correct me with that. Obviously you don't understand writing music as your replies demonstrably prove. |
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