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Post by RinsePrius on Nov 6, 2024 0:21:08 GMT
Whatever point you have about this new subject.. the rule of law in Russia... it's wide the mark as it concerns the conversation we were having about the rule of law here.
The fact of the matter is the courts found your 1960 election argument wanting and people are in jail because of it. You can scream corruption! Lawfare! But it just makes you look like a clown. A MAGA clown.
No it's not at all wide of the mark. It's an illustration for you that people's perceptions are what govern their opinions on "rule of law." Your argument that you support the "rule of law" carries no persuasive weight because there's literally nobody operating in politics right now that believes they're against the rule of law. And that really is the pivot on each of those subjects you've raised as a criticism of people who oppose strengthening the national security apparatus W and Cheney created's stranglehold on the American bureaucracy. And if legislators are to be believed ... on the American legislative process as well.
Belief.
The rule of law is the rule of law. The fact that you're even acknowledging "rule of law" means something different to the Russian people than it means to the people of the US is a tacit acknowledgement of the point I'm making.
The courts have found a lot of things. Are the courts infallible? Or is there a process still going on? Was Trump right that the Central Park 5 were guilty and that's the end of it? The courts found it to be so. Since you want to limit the scope of "rule of law" to the United States specifically.
Queshank
It doesn't matter what people think. It matters what the law says. What the courts says. What the grand jury says. How the jury decides a verdict. You're off in la la land with your feelings and emotions. "...but but but people think the world is flat" Great, but it don't make it so. |
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Post by RinsePrius on Nov 6, 2024 0:21:34 GMT
I've seen your arguments. Unimpressed to say the least. It's just unfocused bluster and bravado.
You haven't even addressed it yet. lol
Should we go for 5?
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Post by queshank on Nov 6, 2024 0:27:00 GMT
No it's not at all wide of the mark. It's an illustration for you that people's perceptions are what govern their opinions on "rule of law." Your argument that you support the "rule of law" carries no persuasive weight because there's literally nobody operating in politics right now that believes they're against the rule of law. And that really is the pivot on each of those subjects you've raised as a criticism of people who oppose strengthening the national security apparatus W and Cheney created's stranglehold on the American bureaucracy. And if legislators are to be believed ... on the American legislative process as well.
Belief.
The rule of law is the rule of law. The fact that you're even acknowledging "rule of law" means something different to the Russian people than it means to the people of the US is a tacit acknowledgement of the point I'm making.
The courts have found a lot of things. Are the courts infallible? Or is there a process still going on? Was Trump right that the Central Park 5 were guilty and that's the end of it? The courts found it to be so. Since you want to limit the scope of "rule of law" to the United States specifically.
Queshank
It doesn't matter what people think. It matters what the law says. What the courts says. What the grand jury says. How the jury decides a verdict. You're off in la la land with your feelings and emotions. "...but but but people think the world is flat" Great, but it don't make it so.
Believing it doesn't matter what the people think, only "what the law says" is ignorance of a crushing sort. People make the decision whether to bring charges or not. Based on interpretations of the law. Interpretations. There are renowned attorneys that have been operating at the highest levels of criminal law for decades who disagree with these rulings on fake electors. It doesn't end with a jury deciding a verdict or the Central Park 5 would still be in prison. Wouldn't they?
Queshank
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Post by queshank on Nov 6, 2024 0:29:09 GMT
You haven't even addressed it yet. lol
Should we go for 5?
Queshank
Nah, you're done. Sit down. Maybe spend more time lurking, less time trying to be heard. lol. The fact that you actually think you're on the high ground here is hilarious. You're really butthurt aren't you?
BTW TL. A vote for Trump is a vote for 4 more years of the American people waking up and pulling their heads out of their asses. Even you. I haven't given up on you. But I know when you lose your faith for the second time in your life, it's gonna be worse. So I'm here for you when the time comes.
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Post by Odysseus on Nov 6, 2024 0:31:27 GMT
I wouldn't trust Pp with anybody's life.
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Post by RinsePrius on Nov 6, 2024 0:58:01 GMT
It doesn't matter what people think. It matters what the law says. What the courts says. What the grand jury says. How the jury decides a verdict. You're off in la la land with your feelings and emotions. "...but but but people think the world is flat" Great, but it don't make it so.
Believing it doesn't matter what the people think, only "what the law says" is ignorance of a crushing sort. People make the decision whether to bring charges or not. Based on interpretations of the law. Interpretations. There are renowned attorneys that have been operating at the highest levels of criminal law for decades who disagree with these rulings on fake electors. It doesn't end with a jury deciding a verdict or the Central Park 5 would still be in prison. Wouldn't they?
Queshank
Oh you misunderstand. People in a position to bring charges, like a DA or a Grand Jury, yes, their opinion *does* matter. Of course it would. That's the legal process. When I say "it doesn't matter what people think" I am talking about people on the internet with no connection to the case. Some random chud's opinion on Lawfare(!) carries little weight. You should have pieced that together from context clues. |
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Post by RinsePrius on Nov 6, 2024 0:58:53 GMT
Nah, you're done. Sit down. Maybe spend more time lurking, less time trying to be heard. lol. The fact that you actually think you're on the high ground here is hilarious. You're really butthurt aren't you?
BTW TL. A vote for Trump is a vote for 4 more years of the American people waking up and pulling their heads out of their asses. Even you. I haven't given up on you. But I know when you lose your faith for the second time in your life, it's gonna be worse. So I'm here for you when the time comes.
Queshank
I do, 100%, see you as having been beat up in this exchange. Maybe I'm just stupid. |
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Post by queshank on Nov 6, 2024 14:50:57 GMT
Believing it doesn't matter what the people think, only "what the law says" is ignorance of a crushing sort. People make the decision whether to bring charges or not. Based on interpretations of the law. Interpretations. There are renowned attorneys that have been operating at the highest levels of criminal law for decades who disagree with these rulings on fake electors. It doesn't end with a jury deciding a verdict or the Central Park 5 would still be in prison. Wouldn't they?
Queshank
Oh you misunderstand. People in a position to bring charges, like a DA or a Grand Jury, yes, their opinion *does* matter. Of course it would. That's the legal process. When I say "it doesn't matter what people think" I am talking about people on the internet with no connection to the case. Some random chud's opinion on Lawfare(!) carries little weight. You should have pieced that together from context clues.
And you should have acknowledged that the process is still ongoing and not looked like a stupid hack.
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Post by queshank on Nov 6, 2024 14:53:15 GMT
lol. The fact that you actually think you're on the high ground here is hilarious. You're really butthurt aren't you?
BTW TL. A vote for Trump is a vote for 4 more years of the American people waking up and pulling their heads out of their asses. Even you. I haven't given up on you. But I know when you lose your faith for the second time in your life, it's gonna be worse. So I'm here for you when the time comes.
Queshank
I do, 100%, see you as having been beat up in this exchange. Maybe I'm just stupid. Yeah you're stupid. But I've always known that.
Because you're still struggling with the "rhetoric" thing. Could I suggest a primer for you?
You still can't even tell you've been strawmanning the whole conversation simply taking any pretext to start doing what you always do. Spouting your beliefs as implanted by someone else without even paying attention to what anyone else says because if it doesn't match what you were told by your thought leaders ... it doesn't exist.
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Post by queshank on Nov 6, 2024 14:54:05 GMT
There was a whole lot of "another ones" last night. The popping sounds all over the country were people pulling their heads out of their asses.
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