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Post by petep on Oct 8, 2024 15:04:10 GMT
...is really no kind of populism at all. Trumpism is genetically an elitist ideology. Institutional MAGA wants to identify as populist and might actually be interested in making that transition but it's early and there are often moments of awkwardness and contradiction. There are numerous examples revealing MAGA's elitism but for the purposes of this thread I have in mind only one: the uneasy fit between populist rhetoric and support for regressive forms of taxation. Taxes are regressive when they fall disproportionately on those with the smallest incomes. Regressive taxation is the inversion of progressive taxation: the idea that you should pay a higher % as you move up the income ladder. Progressive tax rates have some common sense notions of justice supporting them. Those who gain the most from society deserve to pay a little more. But it seems wildly perverse to increase the burden, in % terms, as you move down the income ladder. That can't be the right way to run a country... But it makes total sense if you are a billionaire who only has eyes for helping people such as yourself! Here is an article offering a quick lesson on the regressive nature of tariffs. Note the source.  www.heritage.org/trade/commentary/how-tariffs-and-regressive-trade-policies-hurt-the-poorIf you thought the Trump GOP might be different from the old guard, that they might be a new kind of conservative, one who champions the interests of the little guy over big business and the elite. Sorry! Guess again! He's planning to throw the common man to the wolves. Or….. Is it possible we simply liked - lower taxes - more states rights - no vaccine mandates - govt interfering in free speech and open dialog - lower grocery prices - lower interest rates - lower inflation - lower energy prices - more secure borders - less world conflict Sometimes - most often - Occam’s razor works. All these things have gone to shit under biden Harris. We saw how Biden Harris mismanaged each and every line item listed. Maybe we just liked how things were managed when trump pence were leading. Perhaps had the Biden Harris admin home their job, you would t have to be calling trump supporters racists, fascists, Nazis, cult members etc. and you could actually run on actual performance and record. But you can’t. So you write jibberish crap and name calling like you posted that speaks nothing to what matters. It’s not like intelligent people can’t see thru your rant. |
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Post by RinsePrius on Oct 8, 2024 16:50:00 GMT
...is really no kind of populism at all. Trumpism is genetically an elitist ideology. Institutional MAGA wants to identify as populist and might actually be interested in making that transition but it's early and there are often moments of awkwardness and contradiction. There are numerous examples revealing MAGA's elitism but for the purposes of this thread I have in mind only one: the uneasy fit between populist rhetoric and support for regressive forms of taxation. Taxes are regressive when they fall disproportionately on those with the smallest incomes. Regressive taxation is the inversion of progressive taxation: the idea that you should pay a higher % as you move up the income ladder. Progressive tax rates have some common sense notions of justice supporting them. Those who gain the most from society deserve to pay a little more. But it seems wildly perverse to increase the burden, in % terms, as you move down the income ladder. That can't be the right way to run a country... But it makes total sense if you are a billionaire who only has eyes for helping people such as yourself! Here is an article offering a quick lesson on the regressive nature of tariffs. Note the source. www.heritage.org/trade/commentary/how-tariffs-and-regressive-trade-policies-hurt-the-poorIf you thought the Trump GOP might be different from the old guard, that they might be a new kind of conservative, one who champions the interests of the little guy over big business and the elite. Sorry! Guess again! He's planning to throw the common man to the wolves. Or….. Is it possible we simply liked - lower taxes - more states rights - no vaccine mandates - govt interfering in free speech and open dialog - lower grocery prices - lower interest rates - lower inflation - lower energy prices - more secure borders - less world conflict Sometimes - most often - Occam’s razor works. All these things have gone to shit under biden Harris. We saw how Biden Harris mismanaged each and every line item listed. Maybe we just liked how things were managed when trump pence were leading. Perhaps had the Biden Harris admin home their job, you would t have to be calling trump supporters racists, fascists, Nazis, cult members etc. and you could actually run on actual performance and record. But you can’t. So you write jibberish crap and name calling like you posted that speaks nothing to what matters. It’s not like intelligent people can’t see thru your rant. Are there any intelligent people available that want to respond to Heritage's gibberish statement about the regressive and deleterious effects of tariffs? Or is the above as good as it gets in that regard? |
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Post by RWB on Oct 8, 2024 17:32:08 GMT
...is really no kind of populism at all. Trumpism is genetically an elitist ideology. Institutional MAGA wants to identify as populist and might actually be interested in making that transition but it's early and there are often moments of awkwardness and contradiction. There are numerous examples revealing MAGA's elitism but for the purposes of this thread I have in mind only one: the uneasy fit between populist rhetoric and support for regressive forms of taxation. Taxes are regressive when they fall disproportionately on those with the smallest incomes. Regressive taxation is the inversion of progressive taxation: the idea that you should pay a higher % as you move up the income ladder. Progressive tax rates have some common sense notions of justice supporting them. Those who gain the most from society deserve to pay a little more. But it seems wildly perverse to increase the burden, in % terms, as you move down the income ladder. That can't be the right way to run a country... But it makes total sense if you are a billionaire who only has eyes for helping people such as yourself! Here is an article offering a quick lesson on the regressive nature of tariffs. Note the source. www.heritage.org/trade/commentary/how-tariffs-and-regressive-trade-policies-hurt-the-poorIf you thought the Trump GOP might be different from the old guard, that they might be a new kind of conservative, one who champions the interests of the little guy over big business and the elite. Sorry! Guess again! He's planning to throw the common man to the wolves. Or….. Is it possible we simply liked - lower taxes - more states rights - no vaccine mandates - govt interfering in free speech and open dialog - lower grocery prices - lower interest rates - lower inflation - lower energy prices - more secure borders - less world conflict Sometimes - most often - Occam’s razor works. All these things have gone to shit under biden Harris. We saw how Biden Harris mismanaged each and every line item listed. Maybe we just liked how things were managed when trump pence were leading. Perhaps had the Biden Harris admin home their job, you would t have to be calling trump supporters racists, fascists, Nazis, cult members etc. and you could actually run on actual performance and record. But you can’t. So you write jibberish crap and name calling like you posted that speaks nothing to what matters. It’s not like intelligent people can’t see thru your rant. BINGO AND now Camel toe harris wants your vote saying she's the only one who can fix the problems the biden/harris administration caused to begin with! Sadly the low IQ can't think for themselves Democrat voters believe her BULLSHIT. |
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Post by RinsePrius on Oct 8, 2024 17:41:29 GMT
The ironic thing is the Biden/Harris regime has done more to combat inflation than *anyone* could reasonably expect, and share, more or less, none of the blame for its existence.
Not only do our MAGA friends blame the problem solvers, they want to put the guy back in who was president when the inflation problem was caused, and they don't even think twice when he pledges to raise their taxes by 20%.
It wasn't that long ago that conservative and GOP types would support free market economic policies and low-to-no import taxes.
The flip flop is a summersault and watching them squirm to defend it all is comical.
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Post by thor on Oct 8, 2024 18:00:52 GMT
Trump's defense of his tariff policy gave up the lie that this was ever a populist idea. Trump adheres to a "gilded" populism.An interesting note about Pres Mckinley, the day before he was shot, he gave a speech saying that it was time to move away from tariffs: “The period of exclusiveness is past. The expansion of our trade and commerce is the pressing problem. Commercial wars are unprofitable. A policy of good will and friendly trade relations will prevent reprisals. ”https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/14/politics/tariffs-trump-mckinley-what-matters/index.html Pointing to the 1890's as the time you want to bring back is so on the nose it is almost funny. This period is not known as one that was good economically. The "long depression" was going on during the 1890s. This is the Gilded Age, the age of obscene wealth concentration and it is no surprise that the billionaire on the ticket is aching to bring it back. The mystery is why anyone of the working class or middle class would go along with it. Sad when narratives blow up in people faces, isn't it? |
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Post by thor on Oct 8, 2024 18:03:03 GMT
...is really no kind of populism at all. Trumpism is genetically an elitist ideology. Institutional MAGA wants to identify as populist and might actually be interested in making that transition but it's early and there are often moments of awkwardness and contradiction. There are numerous examples revealing MAGA's elitism but for the purposes of this thread I have in mind only one: the uneasy fit between populist rhetoric and support for regressive forms of taxation. Taxes are regressive when they fall disproportionately on those with the smallest incomes. Regressive taxation is the inversion of progressive taxation: the idea that you should pay a higher % as you move up the income ladder. Progressive tax rates have some common sense notions of justice supporting them. Those who gain the most from society deserve to pay a little more. But it seems wildly perverse to increase the burden, in % terms, as you move down the income ladder. That can't be the right way to run a country... But it makes total sense if you are a billionaire who only has eyes for helping people such as yourself! Here is an article offering a quick lesson on the regressive nature of tariffs. Note the source. www.heritage.org/trade/commentary/how-tariffs-and-regressive-trade-policies-hurt-the-poorIf you thought the Trump GOP might be different from the old guard, that they might be a new kind of conservative, one who champions the interests of the little guy over big business and the elite. Sorry! Guess again! He's planning to throw the common man to the wolves. Or….. Is it possible we simply liked - lower taxes - more states rights - no vaccine mandates - govt interfering in free speech and open dialog - lower grocery prices - lower interest rates - lower inflation - lower energy prices - more secure borders - less world conflict Sometimes - most often - Occam’s razor works. All these things have gone to shit under biden Harris. We saw how Biden Harris mismanaged each and every line item listed. Maybe we just liked how things were managed when trump pence were leading. Perhaps had the Biden Harris admin home their job, you would t have to be calling trump supporters racists, fascists, Nazis, cult members etc. and you could actually run on actual performance and record. But you can’t. So you write jibberish crap and name calling like you posted that speaks nothing to what matters. It’s not like intelligent people can’t see thru your rant. That piece was from Heritage, you moron. The truth Sodomized you. Again. |
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Post by RinsePrius on Oct 8, 2024 20:42:38 GMT
Trump's defense of his tariff policy gave up the lie that this was ever a populist idea. Trump adheres to a "gilded" populism.An interesting note about Pres Mckinley, the day before he was shot, he gave a speech saying that it was time to move away from tariffs: “The period of exclusiveness is past. The expansion of our trade and commerce is the pressing problem. Commercial wars are unprofitable. A policy of good will and friendly trade relations will prevent reprisals. ”https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/14/politics/tariffs-trump-mckinley-what-matters/index.html Pointing to the 1890's as the time you want to bring back is so on the nose it is almost funny. This period is not known as one that was good economically. The "long depression" was going on during the 1890s. This is the Gilded Age, the age of obscene wealth concentration and it is no surprise that the billionaire on the ticket is aching to bring it back. The mystery is why anyone of the working class or middle class would go along with it. Sad when narratives blow up in people faces, isn't it? One thing is for sure: The MAGA folks need to spend more time on messaging. This stuff about wanting to return to the 1890s and the gilded age plays right into the Democrat's hands. I can't imagine a focus group responding well to this. |
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