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Post by freonbale on Oct 2, 2024 16:36:56 GMT
I was considering my stance on this issue due to a few threads that have appeared lately, and I realized that I DO believe Slave Reparations are warranted, but with a strong caveat.
Prior to the Emancipation Proclamation (EP), slavery was legal. I don't like it, it's a stain on our country's past, but legally, there are no grounds for reparations.
However, AFTER the EP, anyone who still retained slaves, was knowingly breaking the law, and should be held accountable for that.
The last state to free their slaves was Texas. And we celebrate that event on Juneteenth.
I would have no issue with descendants of slaves that were held as slaves after the EP, filing lawsuits against their owners for criminal activity, made even worse by the fact that the activity was both immoral and unethical.
In other words, if someone today was caught keeping slaves, I would expect the exact same compensation for their victims, as those who did so after the EP.
But any other reparation expectation from prior to the EP, is not legal, and I would not support.
How does this position sit with any of you?
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Post by demos on Oct 2, 2024 16:44:00 GMT
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Post by freonbale on Oct 2, 2024 16:53:29 GMT
If they were promised in any legal way, then yes, I would support the results of those legal battles. The point is that I would support any LEGAL fight for compensation, over sentimental expectation based purely on morality. Freon |
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Post by Monster Man on Oct 2, 2024 17:32:50 GMT
I came here for a legal perspective and I am leaving here not having found one beyond the ramblings of something a naive 1st grader would have put together.
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Post by freonbale on Oct 2, 2024 17:41:41 GMT
I came here for a legal perspective and I am leaving here not having found one beyond the ramblings of something a naive 1st grader would have put together. Ahh, then you came for the wrong reasons. I posted this for a rational discussion based on legal vs sentimental views on the subject matter, not to inform those who profess ignorance that which can be obtained through a basic Google search. Freon |
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Post by Monster Man on Oct 2, 2024 18:24:56 GMT
I came here for a legal perspective and I am leaving here not having found one beyond the ramblings of something a naive 1st grader would have put together. Ahh, then you came for the wrong reasons. I posted this for a rational discussion based on legal vs sentimental views on the subject matter, not to inform those who profess ignorance that which can be obtained through a basic Google search. Freon Dear lord, then this thread is even worse. |
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Post by freonbale on Oct 2, 2024 20:06:32 GMT
Ahh, then you came for the wrong reasons. I posted this for a rational discussion based on legal vs sentimental views on the subject matter, not to inform those who profess ignorance that which can be obtained through a basic Google search. Freon Dear lord, then this thread is even worse. Why, then, are you participating in a thread that is something you are not interested in and have no opinion on? If you are admitting you are being a troll, I will be forced to report you. Freon |
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Post by queshank on Oct 2, 2024 20:33:49 GMT
I am all for reparations, however I don't think the United States, that sacrificed hundreds of thousands of its people to free the slaves, owe them.
I think the private individuals who owned slaves, profited from slavery and are still benefiting from that jumpstarted market position should pay them.
Companies like Aetna and Wells Fargo. Families like Anderson Cooper of CNN's family. Etc.
It makes no sense for Kevin Hart to pay Kendrick Lamar reparations through US taxes paying reparations.
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Post by petep on Oct 2, 2024 20:37:45 GMT
I was considering my stance on this issue due to a few threads that have appeared lately, and I realized that I DO believe Slave Reparations are warranted, but with a strong caveat. Prior to the Emancipation Proclamation (EP), slavery was legal. I don't like it, it's a stain on our country's past, but legally, there are no grounds for reparations. However, AFTER the EP, anyone who still retained slaves, was knowingly breaking the law, and should be held accountable for that. The last state to free their slaves was Texas. And we celebrate that event on Juneteenth. I would have no issue with descendants of slaves that were held as slaves after the EP, filing lawsuits against their owners for criminal activity, made even worse by the fact that the activity was both immoral and unethical. In other words, if someone today was caught keeping slaves, I would expect the exact same compensation for their victims, as those who did so after the EP. But any other reparation expectation from prior to the EP, is not legal, and I would not support. How does this position sit with any of you? Freon Murder is illegal. Someone kills another. Should the victims family be able to get payments from the parents of the killer How about if the killer has kids. Should those descendants be held liable Whenever you hold one individual responsible for crimes or what we deem wrong today, it’s a slippery never ending slope. |
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Post by Monster Man on Oct 2, 2024 20:49:09 GMT
Dear lord, then this thread is even worse. Why, then, are you participating in a thread that is something you are not interested in and have no opinion on? If you are admitting you are being a troll, I will be forced to report you. Freon Participating? LOL, don't flatter yourself. |
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Post by freonbale on Oct 2, 2024 20:52:12 GMT
I was considering my stance on this issue due to a few threads that have appeared lately, and I realized that I DO believe Slave Reparations are warranted, but with a strong caveat. Prior to the Emancipation Proclamation (EP), slavery was legal. I don't like it, it's a stain on our country's past, but legally, there are no grounds for reparations. However, AFTER the EP, anyone who still retained slaves, was knowingly breaking the law, and should be held accountable for that. The last state to free their slaves was Texas. And we celebrate that event on Juneteenth. I would have no issue with descendants of slaves that were held as slaves after the EP, filing lawsuits against their owners for criminal activity, made even worse by the fact that the activity was both immoral and unethical. In other words, if someone today was caught keeping slaves, I would expect the exact same compensation for their victims, as those who did so after the EP. But any other reparation expectation from prior to the EP, is not legal, and I would not support. How does this position sit with any of you? Freon Murder is illegal. Someone kills another. Should the victims family be able to get payments from the parents of the killer How about if the killer has kids. Should those descendants be held liable Whenever you hold one individual responsible for crimes or what we deem wrong today, it’s a slippery never ending slope. I'm not sure how what you are saying applies. Once slavery was deemed illegal, if anyone still had slaves, they were breaking the law. If the person who broke the law had a business, and that business still exists, then a legal case can be made for reparations. If they passed their fortune down to another generation, then a case can be made to extract from it what the original owner refused to. And if the government had documentation showing that reparations were promised, then those documents are binding and would form the basis for a case. I am not advocating that because your ancestor had slaves, and kept them longer than the EP, that you are liable. But if they passed a business to you, IT is. If they passed a home, IT is. You did not buy it. It was an asset of a criminal that was merely passed onto you. Freon |
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Post by freonbale on Oct 2, 2024 20:53:30 GMT
Why, then, are you participating in a thread that is something you are not interested in and have no opinion on? If you are admitting you are being a troll, I will be forced to report you. Freon Participating? LOL, don't flatter yourself. Last chance, MM. All I see is a troll here. Either contribute to the conversation, or I WILL report you. First time I've ever done so, and I DO NOT BLUFF. Freon |
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Post by rabbitreborn on Oct 2, 2024 22:20:20 GMT
I was considering my stance on this issue due to a few threads that have appeared lately, and I realized that I DO believe Slave Reparations are warranted, but with a strong caveat. Prior to the Emancipation Proclamation (EP), slavery was legal. I don't like it, it's a stain on our country's past, but legally, there are no grounds for reparations. However, AFTER the EP, anyone who still retained slaves, was knowingly breaking the law, and should be held accountable for that. The last state to free their slaves was Texas. And we celebrate that event on Juneteenth. I would have no issue with descendants of slaves that were held as slaves after the EP, filing lawsuits against their owners for criminal activity, made even worse by the fact that the activity was both immoral and unethical. In other words, if someone today was caught keeping slaves, I would expect the exact same compensation for their victims, as those who did so after the EP. But any other reparation expectation from prior to the EP, is not legal, and I would not support. How does this position sit with any of you? Freon And here I was questioning your bullshit on being a true Republican, with only the far right republicans messing everything up. But here you are. Adding slavery reparations to your resume. I’ll eat crow now. |
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Post by freonbale on Oct 2, 2024 22:30:49 GMT
I was considering my stance on this issue due to a few threads that have appeared lately, and I realized that I DO believe Slave Reparations are warranted, but with a strong caveat. Prior to the Emancipation Proclamation (EP), slavery was legal. I don't like it, it's a stain on our country's past, but legally, there are no grounds for reparations. However, AFTER the EP, anyone who still retained slaves, was knowingly breaking the law, and should be held accountable for that. The last state to free their slaves was Texas. And we celebrate that event on Juneteenth. I would have no issue with descendants of slaves that were held as slaves after the EP, filing lawsuits against their owners for criminal activity, made even worse by the fact that the activity was both immoral and unethical. In other words, if someone today was caught keeping slaves, I would expect the exact same compensation for their victims, as those who did so after the EP. But any other reparation expectation from prior to the EP, is not legal, and I would not support. How does this position sit with any of you? Freon And here I was questioning your bullshit on being a true Republican, with only the far right republicans messing everything up. But here you are. Adding slavery reparations to your resume. I’ll eat crow now. What you are ACTUALLY saying, is that you don't know what a Republican is. To you, a Republican MUST have certain views, and if they do not, then not one. Binary thinking. Small thinking. Freon |
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Post by rabbitreborn on Oct 2, 2024 22:46:49 GMT
And here I was questioning your bullshit on being a true Republican, with only the far right republicans messing everything up. But here you are. Adding slavery reparations to your resume. I’ll eat crow now. What you are ACTUALLY saying, is that you don't know what a Republican is. To you, a Republican MUST have certain views, and if they do not, then not one. Binary thinking. Small thinking. Freon Right. Reparations. Pro trans. Pro gun regulation. Pro Harris and Pro Newsom. California is a political utopia. That’s a real Republican. Not one of those far right fascists. Useless. Completely nonsensical. |
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Post by Monster Man on Oct 2, 2024 22:54:12 GMT
Participating? LOL, don't flatter yourself. Last chance, MM. All I see is a troll here. Either contribute to the conversation, or I WILL report you. First time I've ever done so, and I DO NOT BLUFF. Freon Oh noooooooo the last chance?! |
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Post by thor on Oct 2, 2024 23:07:18 GMT
What you are ACTUALLY saying, is that you don't know what a Republican is. To you, a Republican MUST have certain views, and if they do not, then not one. Binary thinking. Small thinking. Freon Right. Reparations. Pro trans. Pro gun regulation. Pro Harris and Pro Newsom. California is a political utopia. That’s a real Republican. Not one of those far right fascists. Useless. Completely nonsensical. It always comes back to this with you, doesn't it, degenerate? |
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Post by rabbitreborn on Oct 2, 2024 23:08:31 GMT
Right. Reparations. Pro trans. Pro gun regulation. Pro Harris and Pro Newsom. California is a political utopia. That’s a real Republican. Not one of those far right fascists. Useless. Completely nonsensical. It always comes back to this with you, doesn't it, degenerate? Why would that be “degenerate”, thor? Lol |
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Post by thor on Oct 2, 2024 23:23:40 GMT
It always comes back to this with you, doesn't it, degenerate? Why would that be “degenerate”, thor? Lol One minute, 13 seconds. You are such my bitch. Why the obsession with LGBTQ people when you like hanging out at high school proms, pervert? |
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Post by rabbitreborn on Oct 2, 2024 23:35:15 GMT
Why would that be “degenerate”, thor? Lol One minute, 13 seconds. You are such my bitch. Why the obsession with LGBTQ people when you like hanging out at high school proms, pervert? I listed 6-7 things. Perhaps you’re obsessed with me? |
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