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Post by MojoJojo on Oct 1, 2024 11:32:15 GMT
Fear mongering for $1 000 Alex! If we make societal decisions based on anecdotal examples (I'm guilty of it), then our policies will not address the actual problems we have. Throw in "appeal to emotion" and we're on two different tracks. What to do then, when the "empirical" data has been corrupted? Also ... name a single societal decision the US has made in the past 200 years that hasn't been made based on anecdotal examples. Some of them completely made up. (*cough The Jungle *cough)
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Meh, you know exactly what I'm saying. An emotional anecdote is politically more powerful than dry statistics. People react emotionally to horror stories and meh to statistics. Political narrative creators know this. |
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Post by petep on Oct 1, 2024 11:38:09 GMT
What to do then, when the "empirical" data has been corrupted? Also ... name a single societal decision the US has made in the past 200 years that hasn't been made based on anecdotal examples. Some of them completely made up. (*cough The Jungle *cough)
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Meh, you know exactly what I'm saying. An emotional anecdote is politically more powerful than dry statistics. People react emotionally to horror stories and meh to statistics. Political narrative creators know this. How’s an anecdote emotional? The sad simple fact is this. This man should not have been in the country. This girl would still be alive had the feds done their job. Simply looking at illegal crossings during the trump vs biden years will tell anyone something drastic has gone wrong. Under Biden it’s multiple times worse than it ever has been. The head of the border patrol union Brandon Judd has said repeatedly the negative change is due 100 percent to the Biden Harris repeal of trumps policies. Are you still sticking to this is all just anecdotal stories to evoke an emotional reaction? |
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Post by Monster Man on Oct 1, 2024 13:15:08 GMT
Yeah, you skipped over my first post on here where I gave numbers. I imagine in whatever circles of information you are in you likely didn't see the recent report from ICE this week showing the disgusting reality of how many criminals these open border policies have let into the country to rape, murder, and kill. Nah... much easier to play this "its just an anecdote" game and not care that this 12 year old was strangled to death. But hey, speaking of societal decisions... lets review what exactly it is you are defending here. Is it that you support letting known criminal illegals back on the street because screw ICE, you don't want to deport them? Is it that you support and defend letting known illegal immigrants who crossed illegally and were then caught back out on the streets instead of deporting them? Tell us, what are these societal decisions you are defending here. That we can't question when they result in Americans being murdered, raped, or killed? You are damn straight it is an appeal to emotion, because you guys are heartless and don't give a shit what the results of your "societal decisions" are. Yeah, I know right. Are the kids still secretly transitioning in all the public schools with the aid of staff and the ignorance of parents, while being indoctrinated to hate being white? IT HAPPENS! Get some perspective man. I see... you get tough questions, you ignore them and deflect. I give you numbers, you ignore them and deflect. In my time away you have turned into just the average leftist poster on here. Which you might be proud of... but it ain't saying much. But, to your flippant deflection, yeah, California just passed another law where schools can't pass rules to notify parents that they are providing "gender affirming" care to kids now. My perspective is just fine. |
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Post by Monster Man on Oct 1, 2024 13:16:05 GMT
What to do then, when the "empirical" data has been corrupted? Also ... name a single societal decision the US has made in the past 200 years that hasn't been made based on anecdotal examples. Some of them completely made up. (*cough The Jungle *cough)
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Meh, you know exactly what I'm saying. An emotional anecdote is politically more powerful than dry statistics. People react emotionally to horror stories and meh to statistics. Political narrative creators know this. And you ignore both either way. |
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Post by MojoJojo on Oct 1, 2024 17:42:06 GMT
Meh, you know exactly what I'm saying. An emotional anecdote is politically more powerful than dry statistics. People react emotionally to horror stories and meh to statistics. Political narrative creators know this. And you ignore both either way. Ignore? Nah, I put 'em in perspective instead of buying in to the current narrative. Remember gas stoves? CRT in schools?? This too shall pass, probably right after the election. Crime will happen, illegal immigration happens, illegal immigrants can and do commit crimes. Nobody denies it or approves of it. Political players use it to gaslight the base. THEY'RE EATING TEH DOGS! One side gets worked up over immigrants and the threat to America's culture. The other gets worked up as all the minorities are being trampled by the dominant culture. Both sides are getting played. |
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Post by rabbitreborn on Oct 1, 2024 18:27:52 GMT
And you ignore both either way. Ignore? Nah, I put 'em in perspective instead of buying in to the current narrative. Remember gas stoves? CRT in schools?? This too shall pass, probably right after the election. Crime will happen, illegal immigration happens, illegal immigrants can and do commit crimes. Nobody denies it or approves of it. Political players use it to gaslight the base. THEY'RE EATING TEH DOGS! One side gets worked up over immigrants and the threat to America's culture. The other gets worked up as all the minorities are being trampled by the dominant culture. Both sides are getting played. That's just the salacious nugget that gets headlines. If it bleeds it leads. But both sides believe they have a point in the broader context. The left believes there is systemic racism keeping black Americans down. The right believes there has been unprecedented levels of illegal immigration in recent years. The "playing" is in the marketing, but that's just for clicks. Both sides are actually concerned about the issues those salacious stories represent. |
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Post by Monster Man on Oct 1, 2024 18:50:58 GMT
And you ignore both either way. Ignore? Nah, I put 'em in perspective instead of buying in to the current narrative. Remember gas stoves? CRT in schools?? This too shall pass, probably right after the election. Crime will happen, illegal immigration happens, illegal immigrants can and do commit crimes. Nobody denies it or approves of it. Political players use it to gaslight the base. THEY'RE EATING TEH DOGS! One side gets worked up over immigrants and the threat to America's culture. The other gets worked up as all the minorities are being trampled by the dominant culture. Both sides are getting played. Yes, not only ignore, but mock. First you tried to play the anecdote game because you can't defend the policies you support killing a 12 year old girl. Then you ignore it when the numbers are pointed out to you... you ignore it when the policies you support are called out to you, and now all you can do is play this dumb dishonest game to deflect and mock it now. There is no both sides are getting played. You are one side of this and refuse to defend your positions because you know what they result in. |
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Post by petep on Oct 1, 2024 18:52:08 GMT
Ignore? Nah, I put 'em in perspective instead of buying in to the current narrative. Remember gas stoves? CRT in schools?? This too shall pass, probably right after the election. Crime will happen, illegal immigration happens, illegal immigrants can and do commit crimes. Nobody denies it or approves of it. Political players use it to gaslight the base. THEY'RE EATING TEH DOGS! One side gets worked up over immigrants and the threat to America's culture. The other gets worked up as all the minorities are being trampled by the dominant culture. Both sides are getting played. That's just the salacious nugget that gets headlines. If it bleeds it leads. But both sides believe they have a point in the broader context. The left believes there is systemic racism keeping black Americans down. The right believes there has been unprecedented levels of illegal immigration in recent years. The "playing" is in the marketing, but that's just for clicks. Both sides are actually concerned about the issues those salacious stories represent. But one of these you can actually prove. |
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Post by rabbitreborn on Oct 1, 2024 19:01:59 GMT
That's just the salacious nugget that gets headlines. If it bleeds it leads. But both sides believe they have a point in the broader context. The left believes there is systemic racism keeping black Americans down. The right believes there has been unprecedented levels of illegal immigration in recent years. The "playing" is in the marketing, but that's just for clicks. Both sides are actually concerned about the issues those salacious stories represent. But one of these you can actually prove. That’s fair, in my mind. But there’s no doubt that many progressives believe just as strongly that systemic racism exists, and that’s more my point. There are powerful perceived issues behind these distraction stories. |
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Post by runswithscissors on Oct 1, 2024 20:38:38 GMT
And? It is quite true. Numbers came out this week showing that something like 500,000 of the 7 Million immigrants that entered are criminals with a disturbing chunk of those murderers and violent. Hell, you clowns don't give a shit though. As long as you get your open borders madness. Just let folks in to rape and murder Americans. Once again you demonstrate your ignorance of reality. Current US immigration law (which has been the same for nearly fifty years) says that anyone can request asylum in the US "no matter how they arrived here." Until that law is changed, which Biden nor trump can do, it's on Congress to change the current law. People entering the country illegally has been a problem for decades. The numbers of them are incidental and not because of "open border" policy allegedly created by Democrats. Once again, you display your ignorance and gullibility. Hilarious |
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Post by runswithscissors on Oct 1, 2024 20:41:38 GMT
Maybe that is why crime has consistently fallen year on year: LOL Yeah, sure. While you stand on the raped woman or the body of the dead child killed by illegal immigrants who should never have been released or that you cheered on some Sanctuary city for releasing rather than turn over to ICE... You can preach about statistics. You should apply for a job at Faux News. You could be Jesse Watters understudy. You'd be perfect. |
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Post by Monster Man on Oct 1, 2024 20:45:20 GMT
And? It is quite true. Numbers came out this week showing that something like 500,000 of the 7 Million immigrants that entered are criminals with a disturbing chunk of those murderers and violent. Hell, you clowns don't give a shit though. As long as you get your open borders madness. Just let folks in to rape and murder Americans. Once again you demonstrate your ignorance of reality. Current US immigration law (which has been the same for nearly fifty years) says that anyone can request asylum in the US "no matter how they arrived here." Until that law is changed, which Biden nor trump can do, it's on Congress to change the current law. People entering the country illegally has been a problem for decades. The numbers of them are incidental and not because of "open border" policy allegedly created by Democrats. Once again, you display your ignorance and gullibility. Hilarious Not talking about asylum or asylum claims here moron. Once again, you can't read or you just don't give a shit about being honest. |
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Post by petep on Oct 1, 2024 20:49:39 GMT
Once again you demonstrate your ignorance of reality. Current US immigration law (which has been the same for nearly fifty years) says that anyone can request asylum in the US "no matter how they arrived here." Until that law is changed, which Biden nor trump can do, it's on Congress to change the current law. People entering the country illegally has been a problem for decades. The numbers of them are incidental and not because of "open border" policy allegedly created by Democrats. Once again, you display your ignorance and gullibility. Hilarious Not talking about asylum or asylum claims here moron. Once again, you can't read or you just don't give a shit about being honest. He’s an idiot Simply google “illegal crossing trump vs biden” The increase under Biden Harris has been staggering And Brandon Judd the border security union head explains why. Biden simply started catch, process, release into us. It’s an open border. This has nothing to do with legally entering and claiming asylum. I suspect the idiot partisan knows that however. |
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Post by runswithscissors on Oct 1, 2024 20:51:22 GMT
What to do then, when the "empirical" data has been corrupted? Also ... name a single societal decision the US has made in the past 200 years that hasn't been made based on anecdotal examples. Some of them completely made up. (*cough The Jungle *cough)
Queshank
Meh, you know exactly what I'm saying. An emotional anecdote is politically more powerful than dry statistics. People react emotionally to horror stories and meh to statistics. Political narrative creators know this. You absolutely have to play dumb and be emotional to be a right wing nutjob. Some of the shit they come out with is just over the top. The thing about Haitians eating dogs and cats kind of backfired on them so they quickly move on to something else. The best part is how they whine about the border when it was their dear leader who torpedoed the plan Lankford came up with. Que the emotion and outrage because of what dear leader did and still follow him blindly not even realizing the ignorance they display. |
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Post by runswithscissors on Oct 1, 2024 20:55:34 GMT
Once again you demonstrate your ignorance of reality. Current US immigration law (which has been the same for nearly fifty years) says that anyone can request asylum in the US "no matter how they arrived here." Until that law is changed, which Biden nor trump can do, it's on Congress to change the current law. People entering the country illegally has been a problem for decades. The numbers of them are incidental and not because of "open border" policy allegedly created by Democrats. Once again, you display your ignorance and gullibility. Hilarious Not talking about asylum or asylum claims here moron. Once again, you can't read or you just don't give a shit about being honest. So you think millions of people are coming here and NOT asking for asylum? Choosing to be illegal immigrants? Why do you believe such a thing? |
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Post by runswithscissors on Oct 1, 2024 20:59:41 GMT
Not talking about asylum or asylum claims here moron. Once again, you can't read or you just don't give a shit about being honest. He’s an idiot Simply google “illegal crossing trump vs biden” The increase under Biden Harris has been staggering And Brandon Judd the border security union head explains why. Biden simply started catch, process, release into us. It’s an open border. This has nothing to do with legally entering and claiming asylum. I suspect the idiot partisan knows that however. You STILL can't grasp this, eh? Current US immigration law states that anyone entering the US "no matter how they arrived here" can request asylum in the US. What do you not understand about that? What do you not understand about how that's been the law for decades? What do you not understand about the non existent "open border" policy that's been in effect for decades? What do you not understand about how nothing Biden or Harris did changed any of that? The fact that more are coming in now than before is incidental. They would still be coming no matter who the president is. Why can't you understand that? The fact that trump was cruel to them is what you like I expect. |
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Post by Monster Man on Oct 1, 2024 21:02:51 GMT
Not talking about asylum or asylum claims here moron. Once again, you can't read or you just don't give a shit about being honest. So you think millions of people are coming here and NOT asking for asylum? Choosing to be illegal immigrants? Why do you believe such a thing? No, I think you are a complete moron who can't read or be honest, and apparently has to have things explained to you repeatedly because you are a complete moron. |
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Post by petep on Oct 1, 2024 21:06:51 GMT
So you think millions of people are coming here and NOT asking for asylum? Choosing to be illegal immigrants? Why do you believe such a thing? No, I think you are a complete moron who can't read or be honest, and apparently has to have things explained to you repeatedly because you are a complete moron. He’s doubling down on being an idiot. The left always tries to conflate things. As if it’s not obvious what they are doing I see runswithscissors as the typical leftist here. Just ignorant on most every subject. Probably knows a good deal about acting and music and dance. We are having a discussion about illegals and illegal crossings and he introduces and entirely different category, asylum seekers. As if they are the same. Read up runswith. Stop embarrassing urself. www.rescue.org/article/migrants-asylum-seekers-refugees-and-immigrants-whats-difference |
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Post by runswithscissors on Oct 1, 2024 21:14:22 GMT
So you think millions of people are coming here and NOT asking for asylum? Choosing to be illegal immigrants? Why do you believe such a thing? No, I think you are a complete moron who can't read or be honest, and apparently has to have things explained to you repeatedly because you are a complete moron. Ah, the old "can't read" spiel. So you're telling me that you actually believe that millions of immigrants are entering the country and choosing not to apply for asylum and just be illegal immigrants? And that those same people are somehow being registered to vote? Let me get this straight....you think migrants are coming here not to apply for asylum and perhaps eventual citizenship, but instead are coming here to be in a constant situation of fearing the police while at the same time presenting themselves to civil authorities in order to register to vote? Or are they just coming here to commit crimes? Now see if you can read and "be honest" in your eventual dancing evasive non answer. ok |
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Post by runswithscissors on Oct 1, 2024 21:16:53 GMT
No, I think you are a complete moron who can't read or be honest, and apparently has to have things explained to you repeatedly because you are a complete moron. He’s doubling down on being an idiot. The left always tries to conflate things. As if it’s not obvious what they are doing I see runswithscissors as the typical leftist here. Just ignorant on most every subject. Probably knows a good deal about acting and music and dance. We are having a discussion about illegals and illegal crossings and he introduces and entirely different category, asylum seekers. As if they are the same. Read up runswith. Stop embarrassing urself. www.rescue.org/article/migrants-asylum-seekers-refugees-and-immigrants-whats-differenceStill can't bring yourself to confirm that you have no idea what current US immigration law is? And you'd rather whine about what Fox News tells you instead? Be best |
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