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Post by petep on Sept 4, 2024 19:33:06 GMT
Historically the “scientists” claimed that it doesn’t matter where co2 comes from, it simply mixes everywhere and we are all affected as co2 concentrations everywhere even out. Often it is clear that “city” people want to find solutions that affect everyone. Gun violence bad in Chicago. Let’s force Wyoming residents to Illinois gun laws. The Biden Harris gun ban proposals, the Biden Harris vaccine mandates. All pushing for a national solution. Anyone in agriculture knows the ideal concentration of co2 for growing. It’s varies a bit by crop but it’s in the 1000 ppm range. And it’s mapped out well in growing regions what the actual levels are. Listening to scientists make their claims simply discounts them as idiots. Looking at a map of the us, using newer technologies shows just how wrong these self “proclaimed” experts are. It’s the cities that are the problem. They are the responsible ones for higher levels of co2 But to be clear. Avg co2 levels across the us are in the 400 some ppm range. In ag we often have to add co2 to substantially increase yields. And by the way, what do plants give off after they take in co2. Oh yea, oxygen. We laugh and say imagine if all the plants got together and decided oxygen is bad It appears that attacking co2 emissions where they are a problem. This blanket one solution approach is not the right approach. grist.org/article/2010-03-17-if-it-does-matter-where-co2-is-released-cities-are-in-trouble/ |
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Post by Fiddler on Sept 4, 2024 19:41:48 GMT
How is it possible you're just finding out about this ..?
BTW.. It debunks nothing ..
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Post by johnnybgood on Sept 4, 2024 20:03:53 GMT
Historically the “scientists” claimed that it doesn’t matter where co2 comes from, it simply mixes everywhere and we are all affected as co2 concentrations everywhere even out. Often it is clear that “city” people want to find solutions that affect everyone. Gun violence bad in Chicago. Let’s force Wyoming residents to Illinois gun laws. The Biden Harris gun ban proposals, the Biden Harris vaccine mandates. All pushing for a national solution. Anyone in agriculture knows the ideal concentration of co2 for growing. It’s varies a bit by crop but it’s in the 1000 ppm range. And it’s mapped out well in growing regions what the actual levels are. Listening to scientists make their claims simply discounts them as idiots. Looking at a map of the us, using newer technologies shows just how wrong these self “proclaimed” experts are. It’s the cities that are the problem. They are the responsible ones for higher levels of co2 But to be clear. Avg co2 levels across the us are in the 400 some ppm range. In ag we often have to add co2 to substantially increase yields. And by the way, what do plants give off after they take in co2. Oh yea, oxygen. We laugh and say imagine if all the plants got together and decided oxygen is bad It appears that attacking co2 emissions where they are a problem. This blanket one solution approach is not the right approach. grist.org/article/2010-03-17-if-it-does-matter-where-co2-is-released-cities-are-in-trouble/I don't understand where the debunk is. |
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Post by petep on Sept 4, 2024 20:18:08 GMT
Historically the “scientists” claimed that it doesn’t matter where co2 comes from, it simply mixes everywhere and we are all affected as co2 concentrations everywhere even out. Often it is clear that “city” people want to find solutions that affect everyone. Gun violence bad in Chicago. Let’s force Wyoming residents to Illinois gun laws. The Biden Harris gun ban proposals, the Biden Harris vaccine mandates. All pushing for a national solution. Anyone in agriculture knows the ideal concentration of co2 for growing. It’s varies a bit by crop but it’s in the 1000 ppm range. And it’s mapped out well in growing regions what the actual levels are. Listening to scientists make their claims simply discounts them as idiots. Looking at a map of the us, using newer technologies shows just how wrong these self “proclaimed” experts are. It’s the cities that are the problem. They are the responsible ones for higher levels of co2 But to be clear. Avg co2 levels across the us are in the 400 some ppm range. In ag we often have to add co2 to substantially increase yields. And by the way, what do plants give off after they take in co2. Oh yea, oxygen. We laugh and say imagine if all the plants got together and decided oxygen is bad It appears that attacking co2 emissions where they are a problem. This blanket one solution approach is not the right approach. grist.org/article/2010-03-17-if-it-does-matter-where-co2-is-released-cities-are-in-trouble/I don't understand where the debunk is. Historically the claim has been it doesn’t matter where it is generated as it’s all spread out evenly (the concentrations). And they’d use that as justification for passing national restrictions. The reality is the densely populated areas need controls that most of us don’t need. |
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Post by slefty on Sept 4, 2024 20:46:27 GMT
Next you can tell us car exhaust is worse in the city. Imagine that.
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Post by Fiddler on Sept 4, 2024 23:13:09 GMT
Next you can tell us car exhaust is worse in the city. Imagine that. I know right..? It's like he doesn't understand the first thing about how CO2 (gasses, aerosolized liguidy things) ultimately disperse ... Of course there are 'centers of production' if you will but CO2 (remember.. gasses, aerosolized liguidy things) spreads, acidifies oceans, and it lasts hundreds and hundreds of years in the atmosphere.
Can you say 'cumulative effect' .. as in 400 ppm ..
Think about it p.. When a kid pisses in your hot tub it doesn't stay in one place.. It ain't long before you're soaking in a wee-wee marinade ..
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Post by Fiddler on Sept 4, 2024 23:15:43 GMT
I don't understand where the debunk is. Historically the claim has been it doesn’t matter where it is generated as it’s all spread out evenly (the concentrations). It true.. It doesn't matter. That's why China's CO 2 production has no effect on us ..  |
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Post by freonbale on Sept 5, 2024 0:44:56 GMT
Historically the “scientists” claimed that it doesn’t matter where co2 comes from, it simply mixes everywhere and we are all affected as co2 concentrations everywhere even out. Often it is clear that “city” people want to find solutions that affect everyone. Gun violence bad in Chicago. Let’s force Wyoming residents to Illinois gun laws. The Biden Harris gun ban proposals, the Biden Harris vaccine mandates. All pushing for a national solution. Anyone in agriculture knows the ideal concentration of co2 for growing. It’s varies a bit by crop but it’s in the 1000 ppm range. And it’s mapped out well in growing regions what the actual levels are. Listening to scientists make their claims simply discounts them as idiots. Looking at a map of the us, using newer technologies shows just how wrong these self “proclaimed” experts are. It’s the cities that are the problem. They are the responsible ones for higher levels of co2 But to be clear. Avg co2 levels across the us are in the 400 some ppm range. In ag we often have to add co2 to substantially increase yields. And by the way, what do plants give off after they take in co2. Oh yea, oxygen. We laugh and say imagine if all the plants got together and decided oxygen is bad It appears that attacking co2 emissions where they are a problem. This blanket one solution approach is not the right approach. grist.org/article/2010-03-17-if-it-does-matter-where-co2-is-released-cities-are-in-trouble/Who says the CO2 source doesn't matter? I would disagree with that emphatically. But...if you agree with this paper, then you agree climate change is real. Is that what you are saying? Freon |
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Post by sokpupet on Sept 5, 2024 0:52:59 GMT
The earth is basically a living entity in a covered container. A terrarium if you will. There is a finite amount of interference it can tolerate before it croaks. There is so much we can and should be doing to offset man made damage.
Hemp vs plastics
Recycling in multiple ways
And so on.
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Post by atreyu on Sept 5, 2024 1:02:34 GMT
Small minds never actually experience just how thin and fragile our atmosphere is, they see it as something huge a completely out of our control.
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Post by Fiddler on Sept 5, 2024 16:08:18 GMT
I give you a haiku .. I called it ..
Cherry Blossoms Wither in Oppressive Spring Heat
P, Don't run away Your climate bullshit needs you Will you ever learn .. ?
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Post by atreyu on Sept 5, 2024 16:10:03 GMT
I just realized PP failed ... I mean he always does, but this time too. Tied climate change to guns to our cities without mentioning covid.
Whooops
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Post by DaveJavu on Sept 5, 2024 16:20:24 GMT
I give you a haiku .. I called it ..
Cherry Blossoms Wither in Oppressive Spring Heat
P, Don't run away Your climate bullshit needs you Will you ever learn .. ?
P is in the process of unlearning pretty much everything he ever knew, aka Alzheimer's... |
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Post by atreyu on Sept 5, 2024 16:22:32 GMT
I give you a haiku .. I called it ..
Cherry Blossoms Wither in Oppressive Spring Heat
P, Don't run away Your climate bullshit needs you Will you ever learn .. ?
P is in the process of unlearning pretty much everything he ever knew, aka Alzheimer's...
It's actually kinda sad. He's heading to Archie levels fast.
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Post by petep on Sept 5, 2024 16:31:01 GMT
Next you can tell us car exhaust is worse in the city. Imagine that. I know right..? It's like he doesn't understand the first thing about how CO2 (gasses, aerosolized liguidy things) ultimately disperse ... Of course there are 'centers of production' if you will but CO2 (remember.. gasses, aerosolized liguidy things) spreads, acidifies oceans, and it lasts hundreds and hundreds of years in the atmosphere.
Can you say 'cumulative effect' .. as in 400 ppm ..
Think about it p.. When a kid pisses in your hot tub it doesn't stay in one place.. It ain't long before you're soaking in a wee-wee marinade ..
Read the study. It’s not about whether there is or is not climate change. It’s about who or rather where the problem centers are and the solutions should not be one size fits all. Focus on the problem areas who are causing the problem. The fact that the new technology referenced shows that the elevated co2 levels are remaining in those areas and not spreading to other areas. |
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Post by RinsePrius on Sept 5, 2024 16:36:19 GMT
There is a story here but it's not the one Pete is focusing on.
Conservatives are making progress. We're moving from denial that climate change is real to acknowledging that it is real and that not everyone contributes to the problem equally.
Yes, yes and yes.
I'll take it.
Next we can talk about where the problem is and what to do to mitigate it.
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Post by petep on Sept 5, 2024 17:00:51 GMT
There is a story here but it's not the one Pete is focusing on. Conservatives are making progress. We're moving from denial that climate change is real to acknowledging that it is real and that not everyone contributes to the problem equally. Yes, yes and yes. I'll take it. Next we can talk about where the problem is and what to do to mitigate it. That’s always been my point. That’s is exactly what the article I posted states. Why would I post and article and state I support it if I did not? It was the same with covid or guns. One solution is not for everyone. I don’t know anyone who advocates for adding more pollutants to the environment. The questions is always at what costs. The pros against the cons. |
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Post by Fiddler on Sept 5, 2024 17:26:55 GMT
There is a story here but it's not the one Pete is focusing on. Conservatives are making progress. We're moving from denial that climate change is real to acknowledging that it is real and that not everyone contributes to the problem equally. Yes, yes and yes. I'll take it. Next we can talk about where the problem is and what to do to mitigate it. That’s always been my point. That’s is exactly what the article I posted states. Why would I post and article and state I support it if I did not? It was the same with covid or guns. One solution is not for everyone. I don’t know anyone who advocates for adding more pollutants to the environment. The questions is always at what costs. The pros against the cons. Interesting.. Just what are the 'pros' for "causing anywhere from 300 to 1,000 premature deaths in the United States each year."
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Post by thor on Sept 5, 2024 18:02:00 GMT
There is a story here but it's not the one Pete is focusing on. Conservatives are making progress. We're moving from denial that climate change is real to acknowledging that it is real and that not everyone contributes to the problem equally. Yes, yes and yes. I'll take it. Next we can talk about where the problem is and what to do to mitigate it. That’s always been my point. That’s is exactly what the article I posted states. Why would I post and article and state I support it if I did not? It was the same with covid or guns. One solution is not for everyone. I don’t know anyone who advocates for adding more pollutants to the environment. The questions is always at what costs. The pros against the cons. A global phenomena is going to effect everyone. BY definition. How did you get to be this fucking stupid? |
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Post by atreyu on Sept 5, 2024 20:46:40 GMT
That’s always been my point. That’s is exactly what the article I posted states. Why would I post and article and state I support it if I did not? It was the same with covid or guns. One solution is not for everyone. I don’t know anyone who advocates for adding more pollutants to the environment. The questions is always at what costs. The pros against the cons. Interesting.. Just what are the 'pros' for "causing anywhere from 300 to 1,000 premature deaths in the United States each year."
I've got a Pro --- Florida will disappear under the ocean. I just hope they stay and die, not move out.
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