I'm liking Tammy Baldwin or Susan Rice for VP

Yup that's the one
Greg
said He'd Hit it

Damn Bro I figured a Pimp daddy like yourself would have a woman on each arm.

While ol whitey Joe would probably be more comfortable with Elizabeth Warren on the ticket, his past voting record needs to be forgotten and the only way he can pass that off is by caving to the extreme left and bringing in a person of color..

But I am not 100% positive Harris is the one, I think she would weigh him down with her history ... Don't be surprised if his handlers don't pick a women at all.

well than quit trying to explain it you Racist Bastard.

That's why I didn't try. Your ignorance is baffling.

WHAT? Can't talk with your mouth full of shit.

I've made this argument on LNF before, but historically speaking (and barring death or resignation), the VP position has proven to be a poor doorway through which to enter the presidency.

Biden might pull it off. If so, he'll be the first guy in over 30 years to do it and he isn't going straight to the presidency from the vice-presidency, either.

I barred death and resignation because you seemed to be exempting those options in your example of Biden "choos(ing) not to run again." Dead men literally don't get a choice and a guy that resigned almost certainly won't be allowed the choice in any practical sense.

Had you said "should Biden choose not to finish his term," that's different. And if you were including that as part of "choosing not to run," then of course I concede the point. Obviously the ratio of incumbent VPs making it to the White House when the office of president is vacant is 1:1. There's no other option.

Otherwise, I stand by my statement. Incumbent VPs do not have a good track record of getting to the White House via election.

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PS

It's not just getting there that's the issue. It's having a successful presidency. Consider the past several VP's who actually made it to the White House by whatever means:

Bush: Lost re-election
Ford: Lost election
Nixon: Resigned (not to mention he lost his attempt to go directly from the VP spot to the White House)
LBJ: Chose not to run for a full second term due to severe unpopularity
Truman: Won election, but decided not to run for another term to which he was entitled. Poor polling numbers was one of the reasons (although I'll grant that age and health were others).

And of all those men, Bush is the only one who got elected to the presidency as an incumbent vice president.

There's a reason a lot of people who have presidential aspirations either think twice about accepting the vice-presidency or outright refuse it when offered to them. Historically, most VPs never get to the White House and for those that did, you have to go back to at least Truman* (if you want to count him) or Coolidge* to find someone who chose not to run again for another term to which he was eligible for reasons having little to do with poor popularity.


*Technically, Truman and all previous presidents could have run for as many terms as they wished, so obviously they were eventually going to either choose not to run or die in office. Their reasons for choosing not to run then become a factor.

Given that the Democrats lost the White House after Truman, but the Republicans kept it after Coolidge, I think we can safely say that popularity was not a factor for the latter.