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Post by Odysseus on Aug 26, 2023 4:29:54 GMT
Tonight I chanced upon a local re-broadcast on a local PBS station of a phenomenal documentary, "Children of the Inquisition".
This two hour work summarizes the Spanish and Portuguese Inquiistions, which specifically targeted those of Jewish heritage.
It is amazingly well done. I *think* it was orginally broadcast in 2021. It is excellent.
No, AFAIK, I'm not of Jewish ancestry. But I am still quite saddened by this story, which is a stain upon all humanity.
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Post by Odysseus on Nov 11, 2023 9:28:40 GMT
This might work... check it out... So far, part II only...
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Post by DaveJavu on Nov 11, 2023 11:53:55 GMT
Tonight I chanced upon a local re-broadcast on a local PBS station of a phenomenal documentary, "Children of the Inquisition".
This two hour work summarizes the Spanish and Portuguese Inquiistions, which specifically targeted those of Jewish heritage.
It is amazingly well done. I *think* it was orginally broadcast in 2021. It is excellent.
No, AFAIK, I'm not of Jewish ancestry. But I am still quite saddened by this story, which is a stain upon all humanity.
Everyone has some Jewish ancestry, after a while everyone becomes the ancestor of everyone, that's how sexual reproduction keeps us one species. That's why it's called the gene POOL. |
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Post by Mercy for All on Nov 11, 2023 21:43:49 GMT
Tonight I chanced upon a local re-broadcast on a local PBS station of a phenomenal documentary, "Children of the Inquisition".
This two hour work summarizes the Spanish and Portuguese Inquiistions, which specifically targeted those of Jewish heritage.
It is amazingly well done. I *think* it was orginally broadcast in 2021. It is excellent.
No, AFAIK, I'm not of Jewish ancestry. But I am still quite saddened by this story, which is a stain upon all humanity.
What tends to be under-represented in coverage like this is the non-Jewish "Christian heretics" that suffered in the Inquisition, and my guess is that many of them were political victims for which "heresy" was an excuse. |
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Post by DaveJavu on Nov 12, 2023 0:31:55 GMT
Tonight I chanced upon a local re-broadcast on a local PBS station of a phenomenal documentary, "Children of the Inquisition".
This two hour work summarizes the Spanish and Portuguese Inquiistions, which specifically targeted those of Jewish heritage.
It is amazingly well done. I *think* it was orginally broadcast in 2021. It is excellent.
No, AFAIK, I'm not of Jewish ancestry. But I am still quite saddened by this story, which is a stain upon all humanity.
What tends to be under-represented in coverage like this is the non-Jewish "Christian heretics" that suffered in the Inquisition, and my guess is that many of them were political victims for which "heresy" was an excuse. You know I actually met Christians who believe that nothing Jesus has ever said or done, according to the Gospels, ever indicated that he wanted his religion to become part of the powers that be. In fact they think he would have been horrified to learn that some people use his religion to exert political coercion on other people. |
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Post by Mercy for All on Nov 12, 2023 1:23:09 GMT
What tends to be under-represented in coverage like this is the non-Jewish "Christian heretics" that suffered in the Inquisition, and my guess is that many of them were political victims for which "heresy" was an excuse. You know I actually met Christians who believe that nothing Jesus has ever said or done, according to the Gospels, ever indicated that he wanted his religion to become part of the powers that be. In fact they think he would have been horrified to learn that some people use his religion to exert political coercion on other people. Yes, I think coercion of people undermines the whole point of Christianity. You can't legitimately "make someone believe." You can enforce behaviour, but not heart. I would say that that wasn't just true of Jesus, it's true of the whole New Testament. Power is not inherently bad (as postmodernism seems to indicate) but political power and Christianity do not mix well. At all. |
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Post by bama beau on Nov 12, 2023 21:58:11 GMT
You know I actually met Christians who believe that nothing Jesus has ever said or done, according to the Gospels, ever indicated that he wanted his religion to become part of the powers that be. In fact they think he would have been horrified to learn that some people use his religion to exert political coercion on other people. Yes, I think coercion of people undermines the whole point of Christianity. You can't legitimately "make someone believe." You can enforce behaviour, but not heart. I would say that that wasn't just true of Jesus, it's true of the whole New Testament. Power is not inherently bad (as postmodernism seems to indicate) but political power and Christianity do not mix well. At all. What is more coercive than the threat of generational deprivation and ostracization?
Except maybe eternal damnation? |
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Post by Mercy for All on Nov 14, 2023 21:27:22 GMT
Yes, I think coercion of people undermines the whole point of Christianity. You can't legitimately "make someone believe." You can enforce behaviour, but not heart. I would say that that wasn't just true of Jesus, it's true of the whole New Testament. Power is not inherently bad (as postmodernism seems to indicate) but political power and Christianity do not mix well. At all. What is more coercive than the threat of generational deprivation and ostracization?
Except maybe eternal damnation?Oh, sure, the threat of eternal damnation has certainly been leveraged for compliance and conformity. I was impacted by theologian Jürgen Moltmann's book The Crucified God, in which he claims that Jesus identifies with the marginalized on the fringe in his cry on the cross: "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me," and extrapolates that whenever "the Church" (certainly the Church of Christendom) abandons, coerces, mistreats, or marginalizes those on the fringe for the sake of the status quo, it has betrayed the intent of Jesus. |
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Post by bama beau on Nov 14, 2023 21:33:14 GMT
What is more coercive than the threat of generational deprivation and ostracization?
Except maybe eternal damnation?Oh, sure, the threat of eternal damnation has certainly been leveraged for compliance and conformity. I was impacted by theologian Jürgen Moltmann's book The Crucified God, in which he claims that Jesus identifies with the marginalized on the fringe in his cry on the cross: "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me," and extrapolates that whenever "the Church" (certainly the Church of Christendom) abandons, coerces, mistreats, or marginalizes those on the fringe for the sake of the status quo, it has betrayed the intent of Jesus. Amen. |
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Post by Running Deer on Nov 19, 2023 18:50:00 GMT
Coercing or mistreating fringe people is small potatoes compared to sending people to eternal torment.
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Post by Mercy for All on Nov 19, 2023 22:17:40 GMT
Coercing or mistreating fringe people is small potatoes compared to sending people to eternal torment. That's a questionable doctrine, IMO. |
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Post by william on Nov 20, 2023 5:15:58 GMT
Coercing or mistreating fringe people is small potatoes compared to sending people to eternal torment. That's a questionable doctrine, IMO. Or downright silliness. |
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Post by Mercy for All on Nov 20, 2023 12:30:23 GMT
That's a questionable doctrine, IMO. Or downright silliness. I don’t think there’s anything “silly” about eternal torment in hell. |
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Post by william on Nov 20, 2023 14:16:25 GMT
I don’t think there’s anything “silly” about eternal torment in hell. The good place vs bad place threat worked as intended thousands, even hundreds, of years ago. It’s long past time to grow up and realize that there ain’t a Santa Claus. |
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Post by Mercy for All on Nov 21, 2023 0:53:19 GMT
I don’t think there’s anything “silly” about eternal torment in hell. The good place vs bad place threat worked as intended thousands, even hundreds, of years ago. It’s long past time to grow up and realize that there ain’t a Santa Claus. As a "threat" maybe you think it's silly, but conceptually it's not. |
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Post by DaveJavu on Nov 23, 2023 9:38:36 GMT
The good place vs bad place threat worked as intended thousands, even hundreds, of years ago. It’s long past time to grow up and realize that there ain’t a Santa Claus. As a "threat" maybe you think it's silly, but conceptually it's not. You don't think it's silly to think that people could be tortured forever for no purpose whatsoever? |
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Post by Mercy for All on Nov 23, 2023 17:56:35 GMT
As a "threat" maybe you think it's silly, but conceptually it's not. You don't think it's silly to think that people could be tortured forever for no purpose whatsoever? I think the idea is somewhat disturbing, not silly. I also think that it's a medieval concept (literally) that owes more to the Platonic thought of an "eternal soul" than what is explicitly taught in the Bible. The Hebrew concept of "soul" is not inherently eternal, as is demonstrable in the text for a few reasons. The accusation that "the threat of eternal hell" was used to manipulate people for centuries is not, I think, without merit. |
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Post by bama beau on Nov 25, 2023 2:54:26 GMT
Coercing or mistreating fringe people is small potatoes compared to sending people to eternal torment. Or making them wait forever between your posts. |
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Post by Running Deer on Nov 26, 2023 20:51:53 GMT
To be fair, there are many, many other places to argue with people on the Internet now!
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Post by Running Deer on Nov 26, 2023 21:21:25 GMT
You don't think it's silly to think that people could be tortured forever for no purpose whatsoever? I think the idea is somewhat disturbing, not silly. I also think that it's a medieval concept (literally) that owes more to the Platonic thought of an "eternal soul" than what is explicitly taught in the Bible. The Hebrew concept of "soul" is not inherently eternal, as is demonstrable in the text for a few reasons. The accusation that "the threat of eternal hell" was used to manipulate people for centuries is not, I think, without merit.
I forget that you don't necessarily subscribe to the eternal conscious torment idea. I think the case for it in early Christianity and the New Testament is not nearly as strong as most modern Christians think. I also think it's a plausible interpretation of the (murky and vague) discussions of the afterlife in the NT.
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