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Post by CadesCove on May 1, 2023 21:10:55 GMT
If it were up to me, I'd tear down the statue of that black guy who died. Harry Belafonte? There's a statue up already? Arthur Ashe.
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Post by HolyMoly on May 1, 2023 22:11:59 GMT
A few years ago we changed our fire station's name to W.T. Sherman Ladder Company #3.
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Post by CadesCove on May 1, 2023 22:26:08 GMT
Harry Belafonte? There's a statue up already? Arthur Ashe. limey², I actually chose him for a reason. The slaver Capitol of the south, Richmond Virginia put up a statue of him alongside their slaver heroes. Only his remains much to the chagrin of some people.
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Post by Paleocon on May 1, 2023 23:57:05 GMT
This is Ninety Eighty Four style erasure.
Hardly. It's a fort name, and changes to fort names are hardly unprecedented or unusual, so dial it back on the hyperbolic outrage.
Doesn't that sand get in your nose and ears when your head is so neatly planted underground?
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Post by jasmine on May 2, 2023 0:03:39 GMT
If it were up to me, I'd tear down the statue of that black guy who died. Harry Belafonte? There's a statue up already? That dude was so old he was already a statue when he died.
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Post by archie on May 2, 2023 2:06:11 GMT
If so, was it the only war story movie that the facts actually happened? What I said happened. Thor doesn’t want anyone to look as brave as or better than him. If he just knew my real first name, he would be so pissed.
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Post by Mercy for All on May 2, 2023 2:08:11 GMT
What's great about this is that BOTH Gregg AND Adams are (and were in Adams' case) African-Americans. This is driving our generational racist into a HUGE rage. Now, here's what Lee himself had to say on this issue: "As regards the erection of such a monument as is contemplated, my conviction is, that however grateful it would be to the feelings of the South, the attempt in the present condition of the country would have the effect of retarding, instead of accelerating its accomplishment, and of continuing, if not adding to, the difficulties under which the Southern people labour." Our generational racist will now glom on to the 'in the present condition of the country', which is ultimately meaningless as Lee, being a man with a heart condition, had no idea that his scummy fellow Southerners would enact Jim Crow just a few years after his death, depriving millions of their rights. This is also leaving aside that many of these 'monuments' were erected to ensure that black people 'knew their places' during the height of the KKK revival. Don't lie to the board, Stupid Boy. I WILL correct you. Your. Ass. Kicked. To. Andromeda. Again. Our generational leftist liar is telling everyone falsehoods about why those monuments were erected because lies are all he has to offer.
Why these monuments were erected is partly revealed by when they were erected.
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Post by greebnurt on May 2, 2023 2:12:05 GMT
If so, was it the only war story movie that the facts actually happened? What I said happened. Thor doesn’t want anyone to look as brave as or better than him. If he just knew my real first name, he would be so pissed. Willie Fistagash?
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Post by CadesCove on May 2, 2023 2:28:33 GMT
If so, was it the only war story movie that the facts actually happened? What I said happened. Thor doesn’t want anyone to look as brave as or better than him. If he just knew my real first name, he would be so pissed. Willie Fistagash? Marion.
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Post by Paleocon on May 2, 2023 14:22:23 GMT
Our generational leftist liar is telling everyone falsehoods about why those monuments were erected because lies are all he has to offer.
Why these monuments were erected is partly revealed by when they were erected. North and South began erecting a large number of these monuments at the same time, to honor the old soldiers and the units that fought in each battle. Hundreds of monuments were erected at the Chickamauga battlefield alone, as old soldiers started writing memoirs and families started honoring fathers and grandfathers. Unit reunions and organizations were common, since so many of the units' members came from one town. The South was under the boot of the Northern filth's occupation until the late 1870s and the building of the monuments commenced in earnest as the South recovered some 10-20 years later.
Rather than cryptically hinting at what you think, why not tell us what was "partly revealed". If it's what I think it is, prepare to be challenged.
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Post by Mercy for All on May 2, 2023 16:14:59 GMT
Why these monuments were erected is partly revealed by when they were erected. North and South began erecting a large number of these monuments at the same time, to honor the old soldiers and the units that fought in each battle. Hundreds of monuments were erected at the Chickamauga battlefield alone, as old soldiers started writing memoirs and families started honoring fathers and grandfathers. Unit reunions and organizations were common, since so many of the units' members came from one town. The South was under the boot of the Northern filth's occupation until the late 1870s and the building of the monuments commenced in earnest as the South recovered some 10-20 years later.
Rather than cryptically hinting at what you think, why not tell us what was "partly revealed". If it's what I think it is, prepare to be challenged.
www.businessinsider.com/confederate-statues-meaning-timeline-history-2017-8?op=1I believe that many of these statues were built to reinforce a status quo ideology when it came to race relations. Based on the date of construction. Less about "commemorating the Civil War" and more about communicating "what we believe now." History is not objective. What we study, commemorate, and celebrate has as much to do with "what's going on now" as it does what happened then.
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Post by Paleocon on May 2, 2023 17:15:19 GMT
North and South began erecting a large number of these monuments at the same time, to honor the old soldiers and the units that fought in each battle. Hundreds of monuments were erected at the Chickamauga battlefield alone, as old soldiers started writing memoirs and families started honoring fathers and grandfathers. Unit reunions and organizations were common, since so many of the units' members came from one town. The South was under the boot of the Northern filth's occupation until the late 1870s and the building of the monuments commenced in earnest as the South recovered some 10-20 years later. Rather than cryptically hinting at what you think, why not tell us what was "partly revealed". If it's what I think it is, prepare to be challenged.
www.businessinsider.com/confederate-statues-meaning-timeline-history-2017-8?op=1I believe that many of these statues were built to reinforce a status quo ideology when it came to race relations. Based on the date of construction. Less about "commemorating the Civil War" and more about communicating "what we believe now." History is not objective. What we study, commemorate, and celebrate has as much to do with "what's going on now" as it does what happened then. After your poor reasoning in the evolution thread, I dared to hope you wouldn't repeat such as failure. You just did. Ironically, the Southern Poverty Law Center has a reputation as being both racist and severely biased and hardly enhances your position. There was an entire thread on this a while ago in which I destroyed this nonsense by simply asking what do the monuments themselves say? Do they speak of race, slavery, blacks....anything of the sort? The only lame answer I got back was that one of the monuments from the 1920s had a segregated water fountain built into it.
These monuments were about great soldiers and leaders, not race relations, and the inscriptions on those monuments bear out the fact that this was the only intent of these memorials.
You DO realize that the timing of the monuments coincided with the 50th anniversary of the war and was a time when many of the old veterans were dying, don't you? Did you also realize that the KKK was NOT the same as the original organization and tended to be in places far from the South? You've swallowed the Northern lies, and it's always sad to see that kind of brainwashing in anyone.
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Post by Mercy for All on May 2, 2023 18:05:44 GMT
www.businessinsider.com/confederate-statues-meaning-timeline-history-2017-8?op=1I believe that many of these statues were built to reinforce a status quo ideology when it came to race relations. Based on the date of construction. Less about "commemorating the Civil War" and more about communicating "what we believe now." History is not objective. What we study, commemorate, and celebrate has as much to do with "what's going on now" as it does what happened then. After your poor reasoning in the evolution thread, I dared to hope you wouldn't repeat such as failure. You just did. Ironically, the Southern Poverty Law Center has a reputation as being both racist and severely biased and hardly enhances your position. There was an entire thread on this a while ago in which I destroyed this nonsense by simply asking what do the monuments themselves say? Do they speak of race, slavery, blacks....anything of the sort? The only lame answer I got back was that one of the monuments from the 1920s had a segregated water fountain built into it.
These monuments were about great soldiers and leaders, not race relations, and the inscriptions on those monuments bear out the fact that this was the only intent of these memorials.
You DO realize that the timing of the monuments coincided with the 50th anniversary of the war and was a time when many of the old veterans were dying, don't you? Did you also realize that the KKK was NOT the same as the original organization and tended to be in places far from the South? You've swallowed the Northern lies, and it's always sad to see that kind of brainwashing in anyone.
Statues "say nothing." And yet they do say something. Why these leaders? And not others? Why erect them at that time? And not another? To pretend that those questions are irrelevant is either naïve or disingenuous.
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Post by Paleocon on May 2, 2023 19:34:43 GMT
After your poor reasoning in the evolution thread, I dared to hope you wouldn't repeat such as failure. You just did. Ironically, the Southern Poverty Law Center has a reputation as being both racist and severely biased and hardly enhances your position. There was an entire thread on this a while ago in which I destroyed this nonsense by simply asking what do the monuments themselves say? Do they speak of race, slavery, blacks....anything of the sort? The only lame answer I got back was that one of the monuments from the 1920s had a segregated water fountain built into it.
These monuments were about great soldiers and leaders, not race relations, and the inscriptions on those monuments bear out the fact that this was the only intent of these memorials.
You DO realize that the timing of the monuments coincided with the 50th anniversary of the war and was a time when many of the old veterans were dying, don't you? Did you also realize that the KKK was NOT the same as the original organization and tended to be in places far from the South? You've swallowed the Northern lies, and it's always sad to see that kind of brainwashing in anyone.
Statues "say nothing." And yet they do say something. Why these leaders? And not others? Why erect them at that time? And not another? To pretend that those questions are irrelevant is either naïve or disingenuous. To pretend that there's some hidden message or conspiracy theory behind the monuments defies logic, common sense and is an egregious example of presentism. Did the Scots erect a statue of William Wallace just as a thumb in the eye to the British? Was the Iwo Jima memorial put up just because they hated the Japanese? Are you begining to see how ridiculous and fallacious your argument is.
"Those monuments must have caused World War One because they were put up in the same period of time!" If you think that sounds stupid, it sounds just like your fantasy.
These monuments were primarily military in nature and the vast majority were honoring the citizen soldiers that fought for the South. Southerners were proud of their soldiers and were honoring veterans still living and those that had died.
Statues typically "say" what's inscribed on the base of the memorial.
With such confirmation biases, you need to look inward to try to figure out why you can't see the truth and cling to this kind of fiction instead. It's the kind of mindlessness that we see from liberals obsessed with Trump; you can't reason with them.
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Post by Mercy for All on May 2, 2023 21:59:12 GMT
Statues "say nothing." And yet they do say something. Why these leaders? And not others? Why erect them at that time? And not another? To pretend that those questions are irrelevant is either naïve or disingenuous. To pretend that there's some hidden message or conspiracy theory behind the monuments defies logic, common sense and is an egregious example of presentism. Did the Scots erect a statue of William Wallace just as a thumb in the eye to the British? Was the Iwo Jima memorial put up just because they hated the Japanese? Are you begining to see how ridiculous and fallacious your argument is.
"Those monuments must have caused World War One because they were put up in the same period of time!" If you think that sounds stupid, it sounds just like your fantasy.
These monuments were primarily military in nature and the vast majority were honoring the citizen soldiers that fought for the South. Southerners were proud of their soldiers and were honoring veterans still living and those that had died.
Statues typically "say" what's inscribed on the base of the memorial.
With such confirmation biases, you need to look inward to try to figure out why you can't see the truth and cling to this kind of fiction instead. It's the kind of mindlessness that we see from liberals obsessed with Trump; you can't reason with them.
It's not a conspiracy theory. Statues always "say something." Nobody built a statue of Roger Henderson III of Steuben, Maine (or whoever). We build statues to celebrate certain accomplishments (and not others) that reinforce certain ideals. How do you think those decisions are made? Who decides it? Why? Why these soldiers? Why honour these veterans? Like...why after World War 2!? Or after World War 1!? When they had nothing to do with those wars?
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Post by thor on May 3, 2023 12:03:18 GMT
Statues "say nothing." And yet they do say something. Why these leaders? And not others? Why erect them at that time? And not another? To pretend that those questions are irrelevant is either naïve or disingenuous. To pretend that there's some hidden message or conspiracy theory behind the monuments defies logic, common sense and is an egregious example of presentism. Did the Scots erect a statue of William Wallace just as a thumb in the eye to the British? Was the Iwo Jima memorial put up just because they hated the Japanese? Are you begining to see how ridiculous and fallacious your argument is.
"Those monuments must have caused World War One because they were put up in the same period of time!" If you think that sounds stupid, it sounds just like your fantasy.
These monuments were primarily military in nature and the vast majority were honoring the citizen soldiers that fought for the South. Southerners were proud of their soldiers and were honoring veterans still living and those that had died.
Statues typically "say" what's inscribed on the base of the memorial.
With such confirmation biases, you need to look inward to try to figure out why you can't see the truth and cling to this kind of fiction instead. It's the kind of mindlessness that we see from liberals obsessed with Trump; you can't reason with them.
Stupid Boy - Wallace and the Marines were fighting for freedom. The losers on most of those statues were fighting for the 'right' to own people, filthy moral degenerate. Bye Sam...
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Post by Paleocon on May 3, 2023 13:35:18 GMT
To pretend that there's some hidden message or conspiracy theory behind the monuments defies logic, common sense and is an egregious example of presentism. Did the Scots erect a statue of William Wallace just as a thumb in the eye to the British? Was the Iwo Jima memorial put up just because they hated the Japanese? Are you begining to see how ridiculous and fallacious your argument is.
"Those monuments must have caused World War One because they were put up in the same period of time!" If you think that sounds stupid, it sounds just like your fantasy.
These monuments were primarily military in nature and the vast majority were honoring the citizen soldiers that fought for the South. Southerners were proud of their soldiers and were honoring veterans still living and those that had died.
Statues typically "say" what's inscribed on the base of the memorial.
With such confirmation biases, you need to look inward to try to figure out why you can't see the truth and cling to this kind of fiction instead. It's the kind of mindlessness that we see from liberals obsessed with Trump; you can't reason with them.
Stupid Boy - Wallace and the Marines were fighting for freedom. The losers on most of those statues were fighting for the 'right' to own people, filthy moral degenerate. Bye Sam... You're lying again, aren't you, Mongo? You do that alot, which is why you get the your britches dusted by perpetually honest folks like me.
Southerners were fighting for freedom just as surely as the American Colonists were fighting to gain their independence from a tyrant almost as bad as Lincoln. That's why Southern soldiers, the REAL heroes of that war, were honored with the statues and monuments. Until the race pimps, pussies and perverts starting tearing them down like animals. Claiming that they were "fighting for the right to own people" is a cartoonish Northern lie that appeals only to simpletons like you.
Anything else, animal?
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Post by Paleocon on May 3, 2023 13:57:39 GMT
To pretend that there's some hidden message or conspiracy theory behind the monuments defies logic, common sense and is an egregious example of presentism. Did the Scots erect a statue of William Wallace just as a thumb in the eye to the British? Was the Iwo Jima memorial put up just because they hated the Japanese? Are you begining to see how ridiculous and fallacious your argument is.
"Those monuments must have caused World War One because they were put up in the same period of time!" If you think that sounds stupid, it sounds just like your fantasy.
These monuments were primarily military in nature and the vast majority were honoring the citizen soldiers that fought for the South. Southerners were proud of their soldiers and were honoring veterans still living and those that had died.
Statues typically "say" what's inscribed on the base of the memorial.
With such confirmation biases, you need to look inward to try to figure out why you can't see the truth and cling to this kind of fiction instead. It's the kind of mindlessness that we see from liberals obsessed with Trump; you can't reason with them.
It's not a conspiracy theory. Statues always "say something." Nobody built a statue of Roger Henderson III of Steuben, Maine (or whoever). We build statues to celebrate certain accomplishments (and not others) that reinforce certain ideals. How do you think those decisions are made? Who decides it? Why? Why these soldiers? Why honour these veterans? Like...why after World War 2!? Or after World War 1!? When they had nothing to do with those wars? This country put up monuments for heroes that fought against the aggression, invasions and atrocities committed by tyrants and thugs. And that is EXACTLY why the monuments were erected to the Southern heroes, who fought the tyrant Lincoln.
Almost all of the monuments honor soldiers, with a few for Confederate leaders. None were about slavery or blacks at all, and to pretend that they were is a False Cause & False Attribution Fallacy, as well as the Argument from Repetition Fallacy for peddling this tired, false garbage.
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Post by thor on May 3, 2023 14:59:08 GMT
Stupid Boy - Wallace and the Marines were fighting for freedom. The losers on most of those statues were fighting for the 'right' to own people, filthy moral degenerate. Bye Sam... You're lying again, aren't you, Mongo? You do that alot, which is why you get the your britches dusted by perpetually honest folks like me.
Southerners were fighting for freedom just as surely as the American Colonists were fighting to gain their independence from a tyrant almost as bad as Lincoln. That's why Southern soldiers, the REAL heroes of that war, were honored with the statues and monuments. Until the race pimps, pussies and perverts starting tearing them down like animals. Claiming that they were "fighting for the right to own people" is a cartoonish Northern lie that appeals only to simpletons like you.
Anything else, animal?
Yes, Stupid Boy - the 'freedom' to own people, filthy moral degenerate. Bye bye, scumbag....
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Post by Paleocon on May 3, 2023 15:14:02 GMT
You're lying again, aren't you, Mongo? You do that alot, which is why you get the your britches dusted by perpetually honest folks like me.
Southerners were fighting for freedom just as surely as the American Colonists were fighting to gain their independence from a tyrant almost as bad as Lincoln. That's why Southern soldiers, the REAL heroes of that war, were honored with the statues and monuments. Until the race pimps, pussies and perverts starting tearing them down like animals. Claiming that they were "fighting for the right to own people" is a cartoonish Northern lie that appeals only to simpletons like you.
Anything else, animal?
Yes, Stupid Boy - the 'freedom' to own people, filthy moral degenerate. Bye bye, scumbag.... That's nothing but a perverted lie from a perverted animal.
I know we throw the word around a lot, but you really are stupid, aren't you? When they coined the word "libtard" just for you.
You're Patient Zero of the Dumbass epidemic.
Get less stupid, get lost or get your ass kicked. That's the only options we're letting you have, Mongo.
Anything else, animal?
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