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Post by runswithscissors on Apr 10, 2023 11:38:47 GMT
Yet his death would have been counted as a covid death. We all agree what the truth is. He was older and had other health issues. Just like 95 percent of the people who died “of covid”. Isn't it funny how the "of covid"/"with covid" debate swings 180 o for the libs when the death was a pro-vaxer? It doesn't matter any more though, does it? The debate is over. Everyone knows that Covid is not an issue for the vast majority of society. It is a cold. Move on. Isn't it funny that right wingers think the 6.8 million worldwide covid deaths are all just a conspiracy of some kind? And that most of those people really died from something else? I wonder when they will reveal that they've uncovered (invented) new information that proves the 1917 flu pandemic was also fake.
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Post by petep on Apr 10, 2023 11:41:42 GMT
Isn't it funny how the "of covid"/"with covid" debate swings 180 o for the libs when the death was a pro-vaxer? It doesn't matter any more though, does it? The debate is over. Everyone knows that Covid is not an issue for the vast majority of society. It is a cold. Move on. Isn't it funny that right wingers think the 6.8 million worldwide covid deaths are all just a conspiracy of some kind? And that most of those people really died from something else? I wonder when they will reveal that they've uncovered (invented) new information that proves the 1917 flu pandemic was also fake. Of that total It is a fact that 95 percent of those who died, with covid or from covid whatever term you want to use, also had multiple co morbidities It’s just in this case the left wants to say he died of other issues even though he had covid when he died.
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Post by runswithscissors on Apr 10, 2023 11:52:09 GMT
Isn't it funny that right wingers think the 6.8 million worldwide covid deaths are all just a conspiracy of some kind? And that most of those people really died from something else? I wonder when they will reveal that they've uncovered (invented) new information that proves the 1917 flu pandemic was also fake. Of that total It is a fact that 95 percent of those who died, with covid or from covid whatever term you want to use, also had multiple co morbidities It’s just in this case the left wants to say he died of other issues even though he had covid when he died. Ok, let's pretend that you've been running your car with no oil or with very low oil in the engine. And let's pretend that the car with no or low oil is a medical condition....like being severely obese. Now let's pretend that pretty soon your car has somehow had the air flow restricted to the intake; we'll pretend that's a medical condition like copd. Now pretend that along comes "empty radiator" which is in fact the covid virus. Two weeks later your car dies. Or your body dies in the analogy. Which is the more likely cause of the cars' death? No oil? Or not enough air? Or not enough water? The point is that those pre existing conditions already existed. Adding another condition to those already there made the nut. So what "caused" the death of the car or the man?
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Post by CadesCove on Apr 10, 2023 12:23:47 GMT
FWIW, I've been booted from CPF three times and proud of it. Compared to Rick or me, you're an amateur. Really? I am impressed! Any names I would know?
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Post by runswithscissors on Apr 10, 2023 12:28:03 GMT
Compared to Rick or me, you're an amateur. Really? I am impressed! Any names I would know? I tried to get on there once, knowing they'd ban me in short order. I wasn't even able to register. They must have seen me coming.
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Post by CadesCove on Apr 10, 2023 12:38:02 GMT
Really? I am impressed! Any names I would know? I tried to get on there once, knowing they'd ban me in short order. I wasn't even able to register. They must have seen me coming. Solar was paranoid about deep state FBI infiltration after Biden got elected on his "world's biggest conservative political forum " or some bullshit like that and shut registration down. We all know your the epitome of deep state.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2023 12:45:57 GMT
Of that total It is a fact that 95 percent of those who died, with covid or from covid whatever term you want to use, also had multiple co morbidities It’s just in this case the left wants to say he died of other issues even though he had covid when he died. Ok, let's pretend that you've been running your car with no oil or with very low oil in the engine. And let's pretend that the car with no or low oil is a medical condition....like being severely obese. Now let's pretend that pretty soon your car has somehow had the air flow restricted to the intake; we'll pretend that's a medical condition like copd. Now pretend that along comes "empty radiator" which is in fact the covid virus. Two weeks later your car dies. Or your body dies in the analogy. Which is the more likely cause of the cars' death? No oil? Or not enough air? Or not enough water? The point is that those pre existing conditions already existed. Adding another condition to those already there made the nut. So what "caused" the death of the car or the man? Look up the definition of comorbidity.
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Post by runswithscissors on Apr 10, 2023 12:55:52 GMT
Ok, let's pretend that you've been running your car with no oil or with very low oil in the engine. And let's pretend that the car with no or low oil is a medical condition....like being severely obese. Now let's pretend that pretty soon your car has somehow had the air flow restricted to the intake; we'll pretend that's a medical condition like copd. Now pretend that along comes "empty radiator" which is in fact the covid virus. Two weeks later your car dies. Or your body dies in the analogy. Which is the more likely cause of the cars' death? No oil? Or not enough air? Or not enough water? The point is that those pre existing conditions already existed. Adding another condition to those already there made the nut. So what "caused" the death of the car or the man? Look up the definition of comorbidity. Don't have to. I've already got no/low oil, restricted airflow, and dry radiator. My mother was an orthopaedic nurse for decades. Look up how to spell a "tract" of land.....it's not a track.
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Post by runswithscissors on Apr 10, 2023 12:59:55 GMT
I tried to get on there once, knowing they'd ban me in short order. I wasn't even able to register. They must have seen me coming. Solar was paranoid about deep state FBI infiltration after Biden got elected on his "world's biggest conservative political forum " or some bullshit like that and shut registration down. We all know your the epitome of deep state. Well, that explains it. He's lucky he yanked the cord from the wall when he did; he'd be in a terrible shit rain if he'd had to deal with someone like me...been either a menace or an informer since I was ten years old. Been in the witness protection program three times under three different identities. That fucker wouldn't stand a chance.
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Post by CadesCove on Apr 10, 2023 13:04:19 GMT
Solar was paranoid about deep state FBI infiltration after Biden got elected on his "world's biggest conservative political forum " or some bullshit like that and shut registration down. We all know your the epitome of deep state. Well, that explains it. He's lucky he yanked the cord from the wall when he did; he'd be in a terrible shit rain if he'd had to deal with someone like me...been either a menace or an informer since I was ten years old. Been in the witness protection program three times under three different identities. That fucker wouldn't stand a chance. Nah, he'd smell you coming from a mile away. He'd want to know who your handlers are and who's paying you to post your propaganda though.
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Post by runswithscissors on Apr 10, 2023 13:14:24 GMT
Well, that explains it. He's lucky he yanked the cord from the wall when he did; he'd be in a terrible shit rain if he'd had to deal with someone like me...been either a menace or an informer since I was ten years old. Been in the witness protection program three times under three different identities. That fucker wouldn't stand a chance. Nah, he'd smell you coming from a mile away. He'd want to know who your handlers are and who's paying you to post your propaganda though. No doubt. I've had the misfortune to being exposed to some of his "wisdom" in the past. Last I heard, many were saying he's about to die. But as far as I'm concerned, he is already.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2023 13:23:30 GMT
Look up the definition of comorbidity. Don't have to. I've already got no/low oil, restricted airflow, and dry radiator. My mother was an orthopaedic nurse for decades. Look up how to spell a "tract" of land.....it's not a track. Yeah, track v tract is autocorrect. But you have displayed no understanding of comorbidity. Comorbidity means all factors listed contributed. None of the factors is the sole cause of death, as you imply. There really should be three categories of COVID deaths: from COVID, from COVID with comorbidity and with COVID. From COVID would be anyone that died and COVID was the lone cause. From COVID with comorbidity would be COVID plus whatever else contributed. With COVID would be that COVID was present but likely didn't cause the death. An example would be a car wreck. Then we would have a better understanding of the morbidity of COVID. As it was, we had people begging doctors to list COVID to get money for funerals, people dying on surgical tables with COVID and people dying with stage four cancer or stroke and COVID was present. All those were counted as a covid death. The CDC even admits that the COVID deaths are inflated but that they have no way to correct the numbers.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2023 13:34:32 GMT
Compared to Rick or me, you're an amateur. Really? I am impressed! Any names I would know? Using vpn's I created many accounts that I then used to make truthful comments. Of course I was quickly booted when I did. So I tried to last as long as possible but eventually the exercise got old and I stopped. I believe I still have files somewhere about accounts that haven't been banned yet. Solar's forum is really not that interesting.
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Post by CadesCove on Apr 10, 2023 13:55:06 GMT
Really? I am impressed! Any names I would know? Using vpn's I created many accounts that I then used to make truthful comments. Of course I was quickly booted when I did. So I tried to last as long as possible but eventually the exercise got old and I stopped. I believe I still have files somewhere about accounts that haven't been banned yet. Solar's forum is really not that interesting. Interesting, no. Entertaining? Hell yeah. Their Qanon stuff is worth the price of admission.
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Post by CadesCove on Apr 10, 2023 13:56:45 GMT
Nah, he'd smell you coming from a mile away. He'd want to know who your handlers are and who's paying you to post your propaganda though. No doubt. I've had the misfortune to being exposed to some of his "wisdom" in the past. Last I heard, many were saying he's about to die. But as far as I'm concerned, he is already. Yeah, the clock is ticking on the old boy. God works in mysterious ways.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2023 14:06:52 GMT
Using vpn's I created many accounts that I then used to make truthful comments. Of course I was quickly booted when I did. So I tried to last as long as possible but eventually the exercise got old and I stopped. I believe I still have files somewhere about accounts that haven't been banned yet. Solar's forum is really not that interesting. Interesting, no. Entertaining? Hell yeah. Their Qanon stuff is worth the price of admission. Which is zero btw. That reminds me of the Muppet show, you know the old guys in the public... One says: We really got our money's worth today. The other: But we didn't pay anything. The first one: My point exactly.
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Post by runswithscissors on Apr 10, 2023 14:38:14 GMT
Don't have to. I've already got no/low oil, restricted airflow, and dry radiator. My mother was an orthopaedic nurse for decades. Look up how to spell a "tract" of land.....it's not a track. Yeah, track v tract is autocorrect. But you have displayed no understanding of comorbidity. Comorbidity means all factors listed contributed. None of the factors is the sole cause of death, as you imply. There really should be three categories of COVID deaths: from COVID, from COVID with comorbidity and with COVID. From COVID would be anyone that died and COVID was the lone cause. From COVID with comorbidity would be COVID plus whatever else contributed. With COVID would be that COVID was present but likely didn't cause the death. An example would be a car wreck. Then we would have a better understanding of the morbidity of COVID. As it was, we had people begging doctors to list COVID to get money for funerals, people dying on surgical tables with COVID and people dying with stage four cancer or stroke and COVID was present. All those were counted as a covid death. The CDC even admits that the COVID deaths are inflated but that they have no way to correct the numbers. I understand perfectly what the term means. It just means that a patient has more than one medical condition at the same time. I did not imply that covid was the sole cause of these deaths. I even used a car with various problems (each of which could cause the car to "die") and posed the question to all....what caused the car to die? But keep in mind that before covid, there weren't bodies piled up in morgues from diabetes, copd, obesity, or anything else. No refrigerator trucks had to be rented, no mass graves dug. I'm only showing that, in effect, covid caused these deaths, for the simple reason that those people were alive before they got covid. Just like if you have late stage cancer, still drive, and die in a car wreck. You didn't die from cancer; you died from a car crash. So, in general, the most likely cause of any death is the last or latest condition that person was presented with....whether it's a car crash or covid or a gunshot. In each case, it was the fault of the last condition or disease. I have no problem with establishing those different categories you mention. As I recall, it was the trump administration who threw a wrench in the works of medical data reporting in the form of having hospitals send their data direct to trump's people in DC instead of reporting it to CDC as had always been done in the past. And that was done during the middle of this outbreak when they wanted to control the narrative, so you can blame them for the confusion since they changed things in the middle of the worst time they could have possible changed them. Oh, almost forgot......as I recall, more than one died from taking forms of that hydroxycloroquine shit. Yeah, it killed them. No matter what or how many medical conditions those people had before, it was the trump recommended drug that they died from. So you could logically say that those folks also died from covid.....covid ignorance.....in the senst they probably woudn't have taken that shit if not for covid and trump.
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Post by petep on Apr 10, 2023 16:28:01 GMT
Don't have to. I've already got no/low oil, restricted airflow, and dry radiator. My mother was an orthopaedic nurse for decades. Look up how to spell a "tract" of land.....it's not a track. Yeah, track v tract is autocorrect. But you have displayed no understanding of comorbidity. Comorbidity means all factors listed contributed. None of the factors is the sole cause of death, as you imply. There really should be three categories of COVID deaths: from COVID, from COVID with comorbidity and with COVID. From COVID would be anyone that died and COVID was the lone cause. From COVID with comorbidity would be COVID plus whatever else contributed. With COVID would be that COVID was present but likely didn't cause the death. An example would be a car wreck. Then we would have a better understanding of the morbidity of COVID. As it was, we had people begging doctors to list COVID to get money for funerals, people dying on surgical tables with COVID and people dying with stage four cancer or stroke and COVID was present. All those were counted as a covid death. The CDC even admits that the COVID deaths are inflated but that they have no way to correct the numbers. All true. But the point was never to understand it. It’s why even presumed covid with no test done was counted as a covid death. And extra money was given to healthcare when a covid death was recorded. I said from the very start. The only way we will know the true omits t of covid would be to track excess mortality that has been tracked since 1950. After several years we will have a good picture. Already we are seeing true deaths from covid directly are a fraction of what the cdc was reporting. But the goal was to use covid to shut things down - some things. Even when things were proven fine from kids in school tbe teachers union backed by democrats was telling the cdc what to say to keep from going back to work.
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